Posts by battman

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2004 Service Report - Analysis and trends for 2005

by truthseeker in

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by now, most of you will have seen the scanned images of the watchtower's service report for 2004. i do not have the feb 1st magazines, so i cannot speculate further on the reason for not issuing the report in the january 1st 2005 wt.

looking at the figures, there are some trends that should be considered very disturbing to the wt leadership.

although baptisms increased marginally by 3,571, the difference between the average number of publishers and the number of baptisms is eye-popping indeed.

battman

Hi Steve2,

Your comment " I think it is equally plausible that growing numbers of inactive witnesses simply "hang around" the organisation in one form or another, unable to leave it, but also unable to re-commit to the door-knocking activity" is quite accurate.

I also think it is more of a drag on the organization having these "hanger ons" around than if they left completely. The R&F is more likely to be negatively affected by their lack of interest and this might carry more weight than direct attacks from outside. The rot usually occurs internally because an outside attack brings any group together, even if for a very short period of time.

Thanks Truthseeker for you fine works. I just love to watch these numbers and the direction they are headed.

For a numbers organization it must be everso humbling. :)

battman

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2004 Worlwide Report

by frogit in

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friends

i have the scanned 2004 report pm me and i will email them to you.

grand total (235 lands) 6,513,132 2004 av pubs 6,308,341 inc over 2003 % 2.0 2004 no baptised 262,416 av pio pubs 858,461 no of congs 96,894 toal hours 1,282,234,887 av bible studies 6,085,387 memorial attendance 16,760,607 memorial partakers 8,570. note the fine increase!.

frogit.

battman

To Seedy3,

Good point about counting different islands of the same country as different "lands". The Borg also does this same feat of mental gynmastics with Hawaii and Alaska.

What would the estimate be of the % of those being baptised that are immediate family members?. Extended family? As mentioned before in a good post about applying business practices to the Trooth then it is important to look into the deeper fiqures to see where your customers are coming from. Then once you know that source, then you put extra effort into that area. With the Borg it is all smoke and mirros as they will do anything, say anything to keep themselves in business. The most successful businessess are often the ones who do not put the profit motive first. By having a passion for excellent they attract a loyal following that is pleased to give them their business thereby in the long run become very profitable. Often these companies are run by one person with a burning desire for excellence and wants to share that vision.

Once the second generation, usually a comittee, takes over the trend is downward until the next savior.

Best wishes for a Merry Christmas and very Happy Holidays to all.

battman

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2004 Worlwide Report

by frogit in

jw
friends

i have the scanned 2004 report pm me and i will email them to you.

grand total (235 lands) 6,513,132 2004 av pubs 6,308,341 inc over 2003 % 2.0 2004 no baptised 262,416 av pio pubs 858,461 no of congs 96,894 toal hours 1,282,234,887 av bible studies 6,085,387 memorial attendance 16,760,607 memorial partakers 8,570. note the fine increase!.

frogit.

battman

Good point Joker10. The numbers are almost meaningless. But from year to year we can "discern" trends as long as they are consistently reporting the numbers. The WTBTS makes such a big deal out of the numbers especially so to prove Joe Hover's blessing that it is great fun to turn their own numbers (and words) back on them. shame on them. battman

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2004 Worlwide Report

by frogit in

jw
friends

i have the scanned 2004 report pm me and i will email them to you.

grand total (235 lands) 6,513,132 2004 av pubs 6,308,341 inc over 2003 % 2.0 2004 no baptised 262,416 av pio pubs 858,461 no of congs 96,894 toal hours 1,282,234,887 av bible studies 6,085,387 memorial attendance 16,760,607 memorial partakers 8,570. note the fine increase!.

frogit.

battman

Further more....

If the "love of the greater number" is cooling then how come the Borg dosen't declare this wonderful news from the pages of their rags?

Seems to me they are still touting the growth mode

batt

of the "enough of this today" class

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2004 Worlwide Report

by frogit in

jw
friends

i have the scanned 2004 report pm me and i will email them to you.

grand total (235 lands) 6,513,132 2004 av pubs 6,308,341 inc over 2003 % 2.0 2004 no baptised 262,416 av pio pubs 858,461 no of congs 96,894 toal hours 1,282,234,887 av bible studies 6,085,387 memorial attendance 16,760,607 memorial partakers 8,570. note the fine increase!.

frogit.

battman

Hi Mary,

Your analysis on Canada got me thinking. I added up all the hours from those countries that either had zero or negative growth. There were plenty of countries at 1%, like France with 18,000,000 hours, that I was sorely wanting to add.

That totaled 469,066,000 hours or 37% of their effort totally wasted!!! At $10 per hour they could have "donated" $4.6 billion to feed, house and provide medical care to those in real need.

Tends to make me rather ill and quite angry. I hate waste and stupidity. Unfortunately the above is summed up by the ave. Dub with the scripture proof "love of the greater number will cool" blah, blah, blah.

Batt

of the "way too much time (hours) on my hands" class.

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2004 Worlwide Report

by frogit in

jw
friends

i have the scanned 2004 report pm me and i will email them to you.

grand total (235 lands) 6,513,132 2004 av pubs 6,308,341 inc over 2003 % 2.0 2004 no baptised 262,416 av pio pubs 858,461 no of congs 96,894 toal hours 1,282,234,887 av bible studies 6,085,387 memorial attendance 16,760,607 memorial partakers 8,570. note the fine increase!.

frogit.

battman

Another view of the figures would be divide the number of new publishers into the total world wide hours.

About 5,827 hours per convertee. However 20% or about 40,000 came from only one country, Mexico.

Now dividing the number of new publishers, minus those from Mexico, would yield an effort of 7,122 hours/conversion.

I am very curious to know the number of new publishers that are not "family" members, etc.

Presuming even just half are family that would equal 90,000 actual new converts worldwide, except Mexico, for a stunning 14,244hours of service to save one single soul.

Joe Hover sure runs one very effieient organ i zation. NOT

batt

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2004 Worlwide Report

by frogit in

jw
friends

i have the scanned 2004 report pm me and i will email them to you.

grand total (235 lands) 6,513,132 2004 av pubs 6,308,341 inc over 2003 % 2.0 2004 no baptised 262,416 av pio pubs 858,461 no of congs 96,894 toal hours 1,282,234,887 av bible studies 6,085,387 memorial attendance 16,760,607 memorial partakers 8,570. note the fine increase!.

frogit.

battman

Hi Candid,

I divided the world population by the number of "Publishers" and arrived at a ratio of 1,000 to 1.

Therefor for each publisher they are responsible to preach to 1,000 people. If they are zealous then they might get 100 hrs service per year. Figure finding 3 householders actually home when they call would equal a total of 300 "contacts". I guess the other 700 just are SOL.

Now factor in the 15 minute folks and also a "fudge" factor on real time spent and the ratio would be much higher.

battman

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The end of Social Security (Not a flame thread)

by Preston in

do you guys think social security will ever be reformed?

during the election bush proposed to fix social security through private accounts but given the stock market's last couple of years i don't think private accounts are going to be the solution to it all.

this is not a post written with the intent of bashing a single person, because frankly i think there's enough blame to go around.

battman

Dear BigBoi,

Check out the tax rates of your friendly Euro goverments. The tax rate in Europe is siginicantly higher than the US. Uneployment is also twice the US rate. The economies of France, Germany et al are in terrible shape. The concept of always loading the tax burden on those "nasty" "evil" corporations has been shown counterproductive so many times it is beyond debate. Most companies are very pleased to make 10% net profit. In fact in order to be able to survive the lean times they must make this percentage to survive and be able to provide us all those wonderful modern conviencences we all have come to depend on. When "we" raise the tax rate the corps must raise their prices, lay off people or reduce investment is equipment and plants in order to survive. Witness the Reagan, Bush tax cuts and corresponding economic increases.

Raise taxes and the economy slows. If a business does not feel it has a chance to make a decent return on risking their capital to make an investment they won't and the econony starts to shrink and you are out of a job.

What inflation are you talking about? It has been non existant for the last 5-6 years. Quit reading and beleiving the mass media and research the issues and start to think for your self.

battman

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Dr. Phil wants to talk CULTS

by ChakkaConned in

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friends

dr. phil is looking to talk to people who feel a family member may be involved with a cult.

check it out if you'd like on his website (drphil.com) under "be on the show".

chakka

battman

Because the WT is probably the largest "cult" in operation today and one of the best camoflaged I would hope Dr. Phil would take an interest. He could accomplish more benefit per program by inspecting the WT than the typical "cult" which is usually quite small and insignificant. But being small makes them an easier target with less possible retaliation from the legal eagles. I wonder how he would feel about taking on a relatively powerful broad based "mainstream" / "christian" organization. Hopefully he will receive enough intelligent and insightful "tracts" from all of us to empower the good Doctor to take action.

Battman

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The Internet and Apostasy

by CakeMonkey in

has the internet and forums like these caused an exodus from the j-dubs?

when i left in the early 1990s i met support groups through the yellow pages but it still felt like i was the only one in the world who was an apostate.

i've come to this forum in the last year to browse because my brother has now left.

battman

Hi guys,

When my wife started studying in 1974 I went to a Florida Atlantic University research library to find out about this "free no obligation bible study". I searched high and low about the JW's and WTBTS and found zip, zero, nada. When I was a college student I took several courses in research so I had the background to search mainstream literature. At that time there just wasn't anything to find so I ended up getting dunked in 1981.

After being divorced in 2000 and trying to find someone to date a good friend & brother told me there were JW dating sites on the net. I would never have looked on the net to reserach the WTBS but looking for a "hot" sister (is that an oxymoron?) seemed OK with me. About the first thing I came across was this site. What a treasure trove of information, free and open debate and people who really, really care and love each other and most of us have never even met face to face. thanks Simon and all who have posted here over the years.

The WTBTS Publishing Empire which for nearly 100 years was one of the world's great publishing machines can not hold a candle to even one individual with a computer and dial up. Like the TV commercial which shows a college class room where the Prof is rambling on about how capital intensive it is to publish on a large scale and a student speaks up to inform the Old Prof about the power of desktop publishing.

Say goodbye WTBTS.

battman

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