Posts by myelaine

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Do JWs have a biblically normative relationship with Jesus christ?

by Vanderhoven7 in

i would say that that would be impossible...given that jesus christ is simply an angelic being in wts eyes.. jehovah's witnesses have about as much a relationship with the angel gabriel as they do with jesus.. and, no...tacking on the name of jesus at the end of a prayer is not evidence of relationship..

myelaine

dear Ding...

I think you've stated a correct observation.

O my...

I just realised that my last comment to Terry might be too judgemental for some fellow posters sensibilities...

love michelle

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Do JWs have a biblically normative relationship with Jesus christ?

by Vanderhoven7 in

i would say that that would be impossible...given that jesus christ is simply an angelic being in wts eyes.. jehovah's witnesses have about as much a relationship with the angel gabriel as they do with jesus.. and, no...tacking on the name of jesus at the end of a prayer is not evidence of relationship..

myelaine

dear wobble...

because you didn't see Jesus or that great cloud of witnesses then you reasonably conclude that they were invisible and fiction?...

love michelle

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Do JWs have a biblically normative relationship with Jesus christ?

by Vanderhoven7 in

i would say that that would be impossible...given that jesus christ is simply an angelic being in wts eyes.. jehovah's witnesses have about as much a relationship with the angel gabriel as they do with jesus.. and, no...tacking on the name of jesus at the end of a prayer is not evidence of relationship..

myelaine

dear Terry...

you said: "Are there invisible people? Why not start with that?"...

Therefore we must give the more earnest heed to the things we have heard, lest we drift away. For if the word spoken through angels proved steadfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just reward, how shall we escape if we neglect so great a salvation, which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed to us by those who heard Him, God also bearing witness both with signs and wonders, with various miracles, and gifts of the Holy Spirit, according to His own will? (hebrews 2:1-4)

Therefore we also, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which so easily ensnares us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God. (hebrews 12:1-2)

these people were not invisible...

love michelle

p.s. this latest screed of yours shows you to be bigoted in quite a few different areas btw.

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Do JWs have a biblically normative relationship with Jesus christ?

by Vanderhoven7 in

i would say that that would be impossible...given that jesus christ is simply an angelic being in wts eyes.. jehovah's witnesses have about as much a relationship with the angel gabriel as they do with jesus.. and, no...tacking on the name of jesus at the end of a prayer is not evidence of relationship..

myelaine

And the Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let him who hears say, “Come!” And let him who thirsts come. Whoever desires, let him take the water of life freely. revelation 22:17

love michelle

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Do JWs have a biblically normative relationship with Jesus christ?

by Vanderhoven7 in

i would say that that would be impossible...given that jesus christ is simply an angelic being in wts eyes.. jehovah's witnesses have about as much a relationship with the angel gabriel as they do with jesus.. and, no...tacking on the name of jesus at the end of a prayer is not evidence of relationship..

myelaine

dear sheperd...

you said: "It is also an attempt to reconcile the Bible showing no one recognized him, even his closest associates."...

Jesus lives in and through His disciples and so it is the Holy Spirit who reveals or *expounds Him to others (using the bible) luke 24:27,32. in the case of those in the WTBTS they have "knowledge" of the Son from the scriptures but they strictly avoid any meaningful dialogue with His disciples to the end that the Holy Spirit might reveal Him to them.(they are trained to be opposers) those in the WTBTS have biblical knowledge...but they haven't wanted to receive extra-biblical knowledge.(1 tim 4:13-14)

*explain thoroughly, translate, interpret(-ation) # 1329 strong's (from 1223: through; 2064: accompany, appear, bring, come...)

love michelle

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Who Did The Early Church Call Upon? Jesus or Jehovah?

by JCISGOD98 in

whose name was the early church calling upon?.

jesus or jehovah?.

acts 9:14 a verse jehovah's witnesses can't explain!.

myelaine

dear Terry...

you said: "What we have is a slow and steady tidal wave that can be traced back to an impact when a pagan-cum-christian Roman Emperor came down on the side of establishing ORTHODOXY among fanatical believers. That was ground zero.

The Authority and Power of Rome put an eight cylinder engine under the hood and zooooooom!

A loud sucking sound was heard around the world as the Church vampired the life's blood out of the secular state for its own propserity and power."...

christianity became the state religion...rome wasn't "run" by the church as a totalitarian theocracy...no one was killed if they didn't convert...not like earlier when christians were tortured, maimed and killed if they didn't show allegiance to rome...christians also gave to caesar what was his and to God what was His. Jesus didn't tell the centurion to quit his post either.

love michelle

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NEW YEAR STRATEGY: CHOOSE your BATTLEGROUND carefully!

by Terry in

abraham lincoln was once challenged to a duel to the death when he offended somebody.. as the one challenged, it was his right to pick the weapons and the place of battle.. lincoln's challenger was a short fellow and an expert marksman.

don't fight in magic land.. .

no, not their interpretation---the bible itself!.

myelaine

dear oz...

you said: "Power and control is what the bible is. History demonstrates that remarkably well i think"...

the bible and the church TOGETHER are set apart from secular authorities for the simple fact that they are to espouse and maintain a coda of morality within society that is not subject to the winds of change...otherwise...who or what "culture/person" has the authority over another "culture/person" to define what morality is...one persons pedophillia is another persons virgin bride etc...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_petition_against_age_of_consent_laws

+ imo, at some point the church that believes the bible IS the sword of the Spirit will be the only thing standing between you and the fanatical islamist...

love michelle

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Who Did The Early Church Call Upon? Jesus or Jehovah?

by JCISGOD98 in

whose name was the early church calling upon?.

jesus or jehovah?.

acts 9:14 a verse jehovah's witnesses can't explain!.

myelaine

anyway...

in keeping with His mediatorial role, I would say that the early church called on Jesus as He is the preeminent "keeper of the law" and they had placed their eternal fate in His hands.

love michelle

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Who Did The Early Church Call Upon? Jesus or Jehovah?

by JCISGOD98 in

whose name was the early church calling upon?.

jesus or jehovah?.

acts 9:14 a verse jehovah's witnesses can't explain!.

myelaine

dear Band on the Run...

I could site more scriptures regarding purity and asceticism...more precise scriptures than still don't hinge on "gut feelings, whim and hunch"...

love michelle

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Who Did The Early Church Call Upon? Jesus or Jehovah?

by JCISGOD98 in

whose name was the early church calling upon?.

jesus or jehovah?.

acts 9:14 a verse jehovah's witnesses can't explain!.

myelaine

dear Terry...

you said: "The Early Christian Church emptied Judaism of its historicity, law, justice and community by substituting the chaos of "grace" which was a God of Whim."... "Justice was no longer "getting what you deserve" because Grace was "undeserved.""...

paul instructed the church to not let the grace of God give excuse for licentious behaviour and he also called for removal of people from the midst of the church who did not repent of their ways. the historic RCC tried to bring purity to the church with their emphasis on the vengence of God toward sinners (they made it personal, not corporate)...these measures don't appear to me to be anything like the cheap grace that is preached in some of today's protestant churches.

dear Band on the Run...

you said: "Terry, I disagree with you. Whim, hunches, guts - are good measurements of what to trust."...I see a reference to the intention of keeping of the OT law in these two scriptures as compared to subjective "whim, hunches, guts"...matthew 11:7...revelation 11:1

love michelle