dear jamesmahon...
there is some expectation that you CAN make your own choices.
love michelle
this is a serious question.. i know people that hear/feel god (and see postings about people's experiences), but i have not experienced this.
i have never heard anything audibly (or otherwise) nor "felt" anything inwardly.. i've prayed, read, quieted my thoughts, etc...but still nothing..
dear jamesmahon...
there is some expectation that you CAN make your own choices.
love michelle
this is a serious question.. i know people that hear/feel god (and see postings about people's experiences), but i have not experienced this.
i have never heard anything audibly (or otherwise) nor "felt" anything inwardly.. i've prayed, read, quieted my thoughts, etc...but still nothing..
dear cofty...
you said: "people who don't share your particular superstitions are not your enemy."...
did you read what I professed?..." We love the people but detest the spirits that hold sway over them."
there is a point though that a person can be so overtaken by wickedness that there is no definition between the person and the wicked spirit. the bible says that God would not force anyone to choose Jesus Christ and so that person has been left to his own "lusts" or given over to the spirit that leads him.
love michelle
this is a serious question.. i know people that hear/feel god (and see postings about people's experiences), but i have not experienced this.
i have never heard anything audibly (or otherwise) nor "felt" anything inwardly.. i've prayed, read, quieted my thoughts, etc...but still nothing..
dear jamesmahon...
it isn't God who is trying to get you destroyed(if that's what you mean)...Jesus defeated satan for you at the cross. satan has been putting in extra effort since then to destroy you, he knows where he is going and he's trying to bring you with him. notice the first people that were led (by UNSEEN wicked spiritual forces) to reject Jesus Christ were the very ones that Jesus was sent to redeem...mark 15:13...Jesus asked His Father to forgive them because they knew not what they did...but NOW we have the full revelation in the bible and so the only option for forgiveness is to turn to Jesus Christ.
love michelle
this is a serious question.. i know people that hear/feel god (and see postings about people's experiences), but i have not experienced this.
i have never heard anything audibly (or otherwise) nor "felt" anything inwardly.. i've prayed, read, quieted my thoughts, etc...but still nothing..
dear cofty...
Both of these kingdoms operate in their respective "spiritual" realms.
those born of the Holy Spirit are sealed by the Holy Spirit to a new life in God's kingdom. those not born of the Holy Spirit and "sealed" by the Holy Spirit still have their life in satans kingdom and are left "open" to satans varied and subtle ways of operating in his realm.
"And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience, among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others." ephesians 2:1-3
the people themselves are left suseptible to these other spirits of the prince of the power "of the air"...ie: the anti-christ spirit which is 1) in opposition to Jesus Christ and 2) seeks to replace the real Jesus Christ with a false christ OR any leader who would draw people away from the real Jesus Christ...these anti-christs can have many names...buddha, mohammad, joel osteen, the WTBTS, the mormons, the bahai and especially those who admit their roots in witchcraft and find thier "groove" with satan. unfortunately the list goes on and on and because satan is so subtle many of these false christ "ideas" have their beginnings in the church (1 john 2:18-19). we are told broad is the way that leads off into destruction.
We love the people but detest the spirits that hold sway over them. "For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places." ephesians 6:12
I am ministering to Tammy in this way (drawing out the faulty/false premise of her argument) so that she can see and hear that she has been deceived by a false christ.
love michelle
... how truly great this place is.. i have not been on many forums, but i think this one is unique and strong in a very important way.
it is of course a support group for those exiting the wts, or trying to deal with remaining within it, first and foremost.
but the awesome thing about this place is how it welcomes everyone.
dear Tammy...
there are only two opposing kingdoms. the kingdom of God and the kingdom of satan...
do you really think that Jesus would celebrate the love amongst those who have chosen to not be part of Gods kingdom?
love michelle
this is a serious question.. i know people that hear/feel god (and see postings about people's experiences), but i have not experienced this.
i have never heard anything audibly (or otherwise) nor "felt" anything inwardly.. i've prayed, read, quieted my thoughts, etc...but still nothing..
dear Tammy...
there are only two opposing kingdoms. the kingdom of God and the kingdom of satan...
do you really think that Jesus would celebrate the love amongst those who have chosen to not be part of God's kingdom?
love michelle
this is a serious question.. i know people that hear/feel god (and see postings about people's experiences), but i have not experienced this.
i have never heard anything audibly (or otherwise) nor "felt" anything inwardly.. i've prayed, read, quieted my thoughts, etc...but still nothing..
and, of course, satan will always try and find a way to distract (ie. AGuest and her chaos) a person from facing that word of truth...
mark 4:14-15
love michelle
this is a serious question.. i know people that hear/feel god (and see postings about people's experiences), but i have not experienced this.
i have never heard anything audibly (or otherwise) nor "felt" anything inwardly.. i've prayed, read, quieted my thoughts, etc...but still nothing..
dear Tammy...
you said in your post #10153 on page 5:"If you want to feel/hear, then you must go to Christ. (He is the one you will hear... or at least He is the one who I hear) You can ask God for ears to hear, and eyes to see. Ask Him to send you the Holy Spirit (who is Christ; the Truth). Then trust (have faith) that He will do so. Put your faith IN Him."...
I don't think you are hearing Jesus Christ. Jesus was obedient unto death even death on the cross. (romans 2:8)
Those ordinances against us...the penalties incurred because of our disobedience [even generational ones which resulted from a curse] (colossians 2:14) were put on Jesus. His death didn't erase the requirement for obedience to Gods ways though.
Jesus even MAGNIFIED the law (matthew 5:27-28)...See in Matthew 5:20, the scribes and pharisees were outwardly righteous but Jesus says He requires His followers to exceed that righteousness in our inner man as well.
This shows that there is NO WAY that Jesus would have celebrated the diversity of "altars" represented here like you have...He was without SIN because He was obedient to God in every way. (when He was being tempted by satan with the world and all its glory He refused categorically. [Matthew 4:8-10]...as did the first christians who refused to offer even a pinch of incense to save their lives)...God detests other altars.
I noticed in your other thread mentioned previously that you seem to equate tearing down "altars" to being judgemental of other people but it isn't, the fact is it is actually an act of good judgement on your part combined with obedience and consequently an act of love for God FIRST before your friends...or your reputation...
It is a truth that as long as you maintain your stance on that other thread devoted to the wonderfullness of the diversity of "altars" in this place you are being willfully DISobedient and you are setting yourself up as a lawless one who opposes and exalts himself (ie. Tammy's Altar of Love) 2 thess. 2:3-4, 9
Tammy you have been seduced by a disobedient one...The Holy Spirit would NOT compel you to disobey the first commandment...even with loving intent.
love michelle
http://www.stumbleupon.com/su/904a4d.
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click on the above and try each icon for a pithy explanation and example of logical fallacies.
dear Terry...
you said:
"Take the unusual word: SIN which was borrowed from Archery practice and referred to inability to hit what bullseye you were aiming at.
A person who first picks up a bow could hardly be expected to hit the bullseye the 1st time, right?
But, watch what happens if we substitute this for what happened in the Garden of Eden with Adam."...
in the "biblical" context all SIN is disobedience to the way of God whether in actions or thoughts. The life of A & E in the garden was likely one of obedience to God until E was deceived into disobedience by an entity outside of herself...
most children are born with a trust in their parents judgement (as to what is good for them) but there always comes a time when the child acts on what they consider their "better" judgement of a situation...this is an act of disobedience.
love michelle
p.s. in the nation of israel it should be noted that they were called to obedience to God and the law...one command was to honour their parents in which there would be a blessing...
... how truly great this place is.. i have not been on many forums, but i think this one is unique and strong in a very important way.
it is of course a support group for those exiting the wts, or trying to deal with remaining within it, first and foremost.
but the awesome thing about this place is how it welcomes everyone.
dear Tammy...
so it only means don't worship any other gods if you are one of His people...and so that all that tearing down other altars was unneccesary and possibly no even a command from God?
Let me suggest that in accordance with scripture, God absolutely detested the presence of other gods in the midst of His people and where ever He directed them, His servants were commanded to tear down altars...and they did such a thing wholeheartedly BECAUSE they didn't just give lip service, but they worshipped Him in SPIRIT AND TRUTH. Their spirit detested the very things that God detested. john 4:24
Jesus said, "he who HAS My commands AND keeps them, it is he who loves ME". john 14:21
1 kings 18:21
love michelle