Posts by myelaine

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Killing Ananias and Sapphira

by irondork in

i happened to be reading this part of acts yesterday, ananias and sappira getting zapped for lying about keeping a portion of their profits.

it occurred to me, that is, like, oh my gawd, soooo old testament!

is there any other place in the new testament where a person was immediately executed by god for their error?

the universal church consists of all the blood bought believers in Jesus Christ. There is, of course, the matter of being "found" in Him or abiding in the doctrine of the Christ...not some other personal version of "the Son of God". 2 john 10-11.

the matter of settling who He is was needed precisely because there were various "opinions" about who He is...this authoritive settling of who He is and articulating it to the congregations was a measure taken early on to stave off a GREAT apostasy...until the end times which the apostles spoke about more.

you asked: "I mean, anyone can claim to have the seal of the living God. I am curious how you know this 'church' has this seal? "...God has been and is adding to the numbers of the orthodox or accepted christian church everyday all over the world without long hours of indoctrination for generation after generation...isaiah 59:20-21, 60:1-22...Praise the Lord!

you said: "A consensus might be the mark of unity, but that does not make it the mark of truth."...it is when God is intimately involved in leading His church.

you said: "But we were not speaking of these groups, were we? While interesting for another discussion, we are speaking of those who are for Christ and God, but who might differ on a doctrinal matter."...I was responding to your statement that as long as people are practicing... "if it is the spirit of love, compassion, mercy, faith, forgiveness, that dwells within you and that you act upon... then good for you."...then they are looking to or following Christ. As well, you have stated on more than one occasion that there are people who belong to Christ who don't even know it because they have these characteristics when Jesus states that you have to believe in Him to belong to Him.

you said: "I did not say they were not his sheep... I would not make that judgment. YOU say that I cannot be his sheep. YOU say that I cannot hear His voice."...I'm saying that I don't think you are hearing the voice of the Lord but some other voice. And that your opinion of who God is is rather irrelevant to those who don't hear that audible voice as there is no confirmation what-so-ever as to the validity of what you are stating...the boreans, as an example, did have confirmation as to the truth of what the apostles were saying...in the written hebrew texts...

you said: "By extension, they might have. [heard His voice] But that does not mean that they are limited to this, does it? They CAN hear HIS voice, themselves. Is there some reason to believe otherwise?"...think about your statement, Tammy...why would they go to other sources, that you call corrupted, to get confirmation of something they can hear directly from the voice of the Spirit?...what would be the point of them doing that, you don't???

you said: "Denying that He is the Christ... is just that. Denying that He is the Messiah. Simple. Not complicated."...o.k. how could members of the christian congregation who believed in the Father and the Son, at the same time, be "accused" of not believing the doctrine of Christ and that He came in the flesh?...(2 john 7, 9)...the Saviour, of which the OT states is the LORD God (isaiah 43:3...came in the flesh...1 john 5:6.

love michelle

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The Bible-- Full of Errors And Inconsistencies?

by Recovery in

i noticed in the "magic" thread many former jw's no longer adhere to the bible as the unerring and accurate word of god.

if you feel this way, can you please list any specific reasons/arguments as to why not.

this thread isn't for debating purposes, but simply for listing.

myelaine

dear Finkelstein...

ok, I get where this thread is "coming from" now.

in your example of God not changing but later repenting it can be seen in scripture that the nature and values of God don't change but within His character (like His human creation themselves) there is the probibility of the emotion of regret, joy, sadness, pleasure etc.

we can't take just one scripture and exclude the rest to draw a conclusion about God or anything else in the bible. The bible itself is full of data that must be evaluated in order to gain insight into the issue of how God has and does interact with His creation. It would be a lot easier for us if God wrote the whole history of His dealings with mankind (and especially israel) without any errors or inconsistencies but then that wouldn't be condusive to His wanting us to seek Him out through His continued interaction with us, would it?

love michelle

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The Bible-- Full of Errors And Inconsistencies?

by Recovery in

i noticed in the "magic" thread many former jw's no longer adhere to the bible as the unerring and accurate word of god.

if you feel this way, can you please list any specific reasons/arguments as to why not.

this thread isn't for debating purposes, but simply for listing.

myelaine

dear Finkelstein...

you said: "In that sense shouldn't these stories be subjectively evaluated"...

they are...it is the opportunity of each member of the church to evaluate how these teachings "work" for them with the intent to maintain a thriving christian community and further the [hands and feet] work of Jesus Christ within the broader society in which they must move about as ambassadors. for instance, one of the dictates involved in the great commission (teach them to do ALL things I have commanded) is to minister to the physical needs of "the nations/society" and it has seen the building of hospitals...childrens sponsorship programs etc.

love michelle

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The Bible-- Full of Errors And Inconsistencies?

by Recovery in

i noticed in the "magic" thread many former jw's no longer adhere to the bible as the unerring and accurate word of god.

if you feel this way, can you please list any specific reasons/arguments as to why not.

this thread isn't for debating purposes, but simply for listing.

myelaine

dear Terry...

you said: "From that moment in history came a dynamic and dramatic TEST of the power of scripture."...

there was no test...theologians took on the task of formulating doctrine from various scriptures. To bring certain scriptures together unifies a theme. this is where you say competeing doctrines...there aren't competing doctrines within the church so much as one denomination may put more emphasis on a certain doctrine above another.

the church has to move with the times and we can see the evolution and changing of certain doctrines throughout the life of the church in order to "reach" the people of different eras...with the doctrine of atonement, for example, theologians formulated from scripture(for the times they were living in) the ransom theory(God needed to buy us back from satan), satisfaction theory(God's honor was at stake and Jesus satisfied God's honor on behalf of humans), the penal-substitution theory(human sin transgresses God's holy law, we are all guilty and Jesus, being perfect, was sent to pay the penalty for our sin) and the moral-influence theory(we are inclined to love God as we see the great love for mankind displayed in the cross of Jesus Christ)...none of these theories are wrong or competing. Neither are the various baptisim theories what have been put forward, the santification theories etc...they are all just creative ways of teaching people the truth of the gospel.

theologians don't just use the bible as their source for interpretation either, they integrate the scriptures, previous docternal heritage and culture. speaking to the time they live by bringing what's happening in the world with what the church teaches and what scripture says together to produce an integrative motif. Speaking to the people of my "time" I'm all about the resurrection as my integrative motif

love michelle

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SAFE WAY to awaken, VERY POWERFUL. Even called Bethel elder on it.

by EndofMysteries in

i've found this topic and subject to be extremely powerful.

this is for those who still believe in god, realize the wt is apostate, and trying to help family.

(meaning i do not wish it to be used on trying to turn people athiest, i respect everyone's choices, i just believe and would hate my help to do what i feel is wrong) it might help fix things, or if you are still wondering how to awaken them without scaring them and being instantly shunned.

myelaine

deat EndofMysteries...

you said: "I have been a little bit also looking into the possibility we are approaching the 'end' of the 1,000 year reign instead of the beginning as well. But that is another can of worms."

...interestingly the year 1054 saw the first division of the church when the churches of rome and constantinople broke fellowship. the protestant reformation has resulted in even futher division along docternal lines. which means that we are also coming up to 1000 years of the one body being divided. (satan would try to divide and conquer with the question of authority) scripture states that unless the end times were shortened noflesh would be saved but for the elect's sake those days will be shortened. matthew 24:31...

*election by God doesn't mean you are somehow "better" it means you are a servant. the jewish people are the elect of God in that they were the only ones out of all the peoples of the earth who God chose to serve Him just as since the time of Jesus Christ on earth the church has been chosen to serve His purpose...in these end times the will of God will be brought to fruition in the restoration of the jewish people into the israel of God.

For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:

“The Deliverer will come out of Zion,
And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;
For this is My covenant with them,
When I take away their sins.”

Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. For as you were once disobedient to God, yet have now obtained mercy through their disobedience, even so these also have now been disobedient, that through the mercy shown you they also may obtain mercy. For God has committed them all to disobedience, that He might have mercy on all. romans 11:25-32...

Therefore, to you who believe, He is precious; but to those who are disobedient,

“The stone which the builders rejected
Has become the chief cornerstone,”

and

“A stone of stumbling
And a rock of offense.”

They stumble, being disobedient to the word, to which they also were appointed.

But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; who once were not a people but are now the people of God, who had not obtained mercy but now have obtained mercy. 1 peter 2:7-10

love michelle

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Killing Ananias and Sapphira

by irondork in

i happened to be reading this part of acts yesterday, ananias and sappira getting zapped for lying about keeping a portion of their profits.

it occurred to me, that is, like, oh my gawd, soooo old testament!

is there any other place in the new testament where a person was immediately executed by god for their error?

myelaine

dear Tammy...

you said:

"a) the great apostasy already happened; so why would I listen to men who profess to be the 'church' instead of Christ who is the head of the church?

b) what universal church are you speaking of?"...

where do you get your information that the "great" apostasy had happened...and what time are you refering to exactly?...by AD325 all the bishops of the church were called to settle the matter of who Jesus Christ was according to the teaching of the apostles, written documents and theological arguements...are you saying that the apostates won the day?...that God Almighty was so easily thwarted by man?...or is it more likely that God holds the destiny of the church in His hand and the Holy Spirit was present at that council and the intentions of God were carried out...that the one foundational DOGMA of the early church...who Jesus Christ IS was proclaimed by official creed...He is the FOUNDATION of THE faith.

having said that, it is apparent who the universal church is by looking at the witness of history, Tammy. With all its human problems it still has the seal of the Living God.

you said: "Yes, the nicene creed, which changed the apostles creed, added to it, and was politically motivated and voted upon"...and you, no doubt, suspect that it was added to to deceive the masses...no thought of articulating the teaching and witness of Jesus Christ or how the ONE God of creation could be extrapolated from OT books and the written accounts of the early church to a cohesive unity in order to help clarify for followers who God is? These men were servants to the most High God it was their task to serve the needs of the growing church...why the objection to "voting"?...isn't it true that reaching a concensus is a mark of unity?

you said: "if it is the spirit of love, compassion, mercy, faith, forgiveness, that dwells within you and that you act upon... then good for you. He who is not against you is for you."...as a matter of fact there are "groups" that live by this ideology who are not and will not call themselves christian, is it your stance that they are for Jesus Christ then?...against their stated beliefs you call the shots and they are indeed His?...interesting...please elaborate on that scripture. do you try at all to cast out demons, or even doctrines of demons, Tammy?...or do you welcome them, in all their guises, into fellowship with you? if you are following Jesus...WWJD?

you said: "We have learned that the answer (the TRUTH) is in Christ and so go to Him. His sheep hear HIS voice... not His sheep hear the voice of others who hear His voice."...His sheep heard His voice in the teaching of the apostles did they not? Jesus founded His church by the teaching of the Holy Spirit through peter and the apostles did He not?...the boreans checked the hebrew scriptures to see that what the apostles taught was true did they not?...are all these not His sheep because they didn't audibly hear His voice?...or maybe they just didn't have YOUR faith to hear His voice?

you said: "To tell people about Him, yes... but they were NOT to be called teachers (that is the teaching of Christ)... and they did not have nearly the amount of doctrines or creeds that are around today."...by your reasoning why wouldn't they just go to Him and get the information...why bother with instituting the church?...there aren't that many creeds and doctrines are culled from the written work contained in the bible, they most often have relevence to the orderly worship of God...who is a God of order not chaos.

you said: "Well, we can look to Christ. HE is the one who knows what is truth or not; or what He taught or not."...john 8:24, mark 9:42-48

you said: "Did Christ hand anyone over to Satan, btw? Did he give up on them like that? Perhaps He handed them over to GOD... to handle as God saw fit. Then on the cross, recall that Christ still asked forgiveness for all those who had sinned against Him, denied Him, etc. It is his example that we are to follow."...Jesus called some people sons of their father, satan...and said that they wouldn't enter the kingdom...they would therefore be cast out to be with satan. On the cross Jesus asked the Father to forgive the people there because they knew not what they did, earlier He wasn't so forgiving to those people who He called sons of their father, satan. do you think that we should draw a line of distinction between forgiving those who know not what they do and those who know they are enemies of Christ?

you said: "Paul also wrote, when this began to happen (and still happens today... much of the church is built upon the teachings of paul, even if those go against the teachings of christ), that NONE should be following him, or Peter, or Appollos. Only Christ."

...in response to: "I get the impression that these were in the position of being able to convince others in the congregation of something that could literally lead them into grave apostasy. the apostle paul was caring for the rest of the congregation who were entrusted into his care...he wasn't just being mean and unloving to these ones he let loose (1 timothy 1:18-20)...you can also read 1 timothy 1:12-17 to hear how much Jesus' trust meant to paul and how seriously he took that responsibility to teach those in his charge...he called them his dear children."...paul was saying that the church "bishops"were in agreement on important matters of the faith and therefore there was no call for picking one preacher over another. this scripture I quoted relates to those who he thought were in a position to deceive the congregation by teaching something otherthan what the church taught...and because he did remove them from the congregation and deliver them to satan it would have been for something important like an anti-christ teaching...a dogma...not a doctrine, or a mere opinion they held contrary to the teaching of the church.

you said: "See now the difference here, that you are convinced of... is that denying Christ does not = denying his nature of God the Son."...well, if you deny that Jesus Christ is God the Son then you are indeed denying the fulness of His very person, the Christ.

you said: "Michelle, John says exactly what he means. No need to be 'convinced' of something else. He says it plain. .That there are some of those who go so far as to deny that Jesus is the Christ. They denied that He was the messiah. This does not translate into what you translated."

... 1 john 2:18-23, the criteria for the anti-christ(s) are those who deny Jesus is the Christ; they deny the essential unity of the Father and Son "relationship" in the Godhead...see my response above...if the teaching of the Father and Son that was taught by the apostles abides in you the Holy Spirit abides in you as well...you are anointed from the Holy ONE.

love michelle

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Killing Ananias and Sapphira

by irondork in

i happened to be reading this part of acts yesterday, ananias and sappira getting zapped for lying about keeping a portion of their profits.

it occurred to me, that is, like, oh my gawd, soooo old testament!

is there any other place in the new testament where a person was immediately executed by god for their error?

myelaine

dear Tammy..

the universal church teaches and believes that Jesus is God the Son...the various denominations of the church believe and teach this...the modern sects and cults do not believe and teach this.

you are right I was refering to the nicene creed which is confessed in the different church denominations.

you seem to be stuck on the concept of the church being the beginning of the knowledge of Jesus Christ for the individual. I can't think of any other way to get my meaning across other than to say that...if you want to learn a certain type of math, you learn the "concept" from a teacher...you don't keep looking to the teacher every time you want to do a math problem...you have learned the "concept" and you grow in your understanding of that type of math from there. The apostles where entrusted by Jesus to teach the people about Jesus...and then they looked to Him for growth in their faith in Him, being strengthened by the Holy Spirit as they grew and matured. The teaching found in the bible by the first church members/apostles and the church fathers as well, can also be a help in growth and maturity...we can learn from their experience as they grew and matured they gained knowledge of how God "worked" or showed His will in their lives and they passed it on. Not to lord it over the congregation but to guide them. the apostles knew what kind of responsibility they were given and took it seriously...in one case that must have been a question of very important doctrine we are told that those who wouldn't have the faith but continued to rebel were handed over to satan. I don't think that the loving apostle paul or any other one would let loose a brother in that way over a matter of little importance. I get the impression that these were in the position of being able to convince others in the congregation of something that could literally lead them into grave apostasy. the apostle paul was caring for the rest of the congregation who were entrusted into his care...he wasn't just being mean and unloving to these ones he let loose (1 timothy 1:18-20)...you can also read 1 timothy 1:12-17 to hear how much Jesus' trust meant to paul and how seriously he took that responsibility to teach those in his charge...he called them his dear children.

I wanted to also show you that another one of the church was at one time about to talk to his brothers about their common salvation but was compelled to instead talk to the congregation about the faith and those who would deceive. The Holy Spirit compelled him to teach about the false brothers who were not in THE faith...they were in the congregation but denied the Lord Jesus...I'm convinced that they denied the nature of the Lord Jesus as God the Son...just like in 1 john 2:19-23, speaking of those who were counted in the church but denied the Son and therefore didn't have the Father either(v.23)...Therefore let that abide in you which you heard from the beginning. If what you heard in the beginning abides in you, you also will abide in the Son and in the Father(v.24) ...These things I have written to you concerning those who try to deceive you (v.26)

love michelle

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Killing Ananias and Sapphira

by irondork in

i happened to be reading this part of acts yesterday, ananias and sappira getting zapped for lying about keeping a portion of their profits.

it occurred to me, that is, like, oh my gawd, soooo old testament!

is there any other place in the new testament where a person was immediately executed by god for their error?

myelaine

dear Tammy...

you said: "Just for the record, I do not confess such a thing." in response to my statement: When I see one of my brothers in the faith being duplicious by confessing that creed and yet encouraging someone who doesn't agree with that creed in their belief(ie: if one in convinced and confesses that the Almighty is God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit then it is self evident that he is lying to God, his brethern and all the angels when he encourages one to believe that God is also NOT of that nature); loyalty to God and that brother compells me to say something.

...I know you don't confess such a thing that is my point, this contemporanious "ananias" confess such a thing and yet encourages you in your belief that is NOT like this...a nature that is different...though you must admit that the nature of Jesus Christ is not relative to the way YOU see Him. He is who He described and taught to the apostles who later became the universal church. Their confession of the nature of God is contained in the apostles creed.

You are right that we aren't to follow the apostles like you seem to be implying (as we would follow Jesus)...but we are to follow their teaching about who Jesus Christ is as they were given the authority to teach who Jesus Christ is. You elive that Jesus was divine. Did you know about st. john the divine...thats what they called him...in your mind is Jesus more divine that st. john?...the church teaches that Jesus is deity, God the Son.

dear NewChapter you said: "No testing at all. No awareness or curiosity, just the assured expectation that your god of love is going to burn the bulk of humanity forever. Sad. But I feel saddest for the children that are told these horror stories and inculcated with pure fear to bully them to love a god. I don't believe this god can be loved---only feared. I also believe this is why people are so disfunctional in their relationships---they equate abuse with love because that is how their god rolls."

...If you had read what I wrote I said that I believe that the rebel angels have created this hell and it will be their everlasting domain. The gospel message in preached in order that humans would be "removed" out of this darkess and translated into the kingdom of God, wherein dwells the Light. Otherwise they remain here. As well, I don't believe that God is going to burn the bulk of humanity forever...hell is for the rebel angels and the bible does say that some humans will be inclined to join forces and rebel against God right along with them...I'm not sure that the bulk of humanity did rebel against God...even now with all the "gates" of hell being opened there are likely more neutral people than rebelious people. I know that being a JW you were taught that the whole purpose of armeggedon was vindictive...it isn't so much that as remedial...it is needed to once and for all remove the threat that satan and his angels pose to humanity. There are humans who pose a threat to humanity too though, do you deny this?...I wouldn't like it at all that people would be subject to the same judgement that satan and his angles are going to receive...but I know that God is entirely just and merciful to mankind and I believe that the resurrection is a second chance...the account in luke 16:19-31 describes a paradise for some and not for others. Then God resurrects those who sleep in the dust (daniel 12:2 those who haven't entered into His kingdom) These ones will, at that time, be given their second chance to repent and turn to the living God...or not. I also believe that the gates of hell have been opened BY SOME OF THESE WICKED HUMANS with their conjuring and such and with the pervasive and even trendy belief in all kinds of doctrines of demons etc...that the resurrections are taking place right now at this end of days. Some of these ones HAVE repented, some HAVE NOT repented and THEIR lot after hearing the everlasting gospel and still refusing is everlasting shame and contempt...

I have never gone to a church that taught their little ones to fear God and His judgement...perhaps they did and perhaps the fringe still do but not like the JW do and have...christain charity would warn others not condemn others wholesale. And that brings me to Tammy...I'm not condeming her either...I am simply warning her as to the consequences of her action in not listening to the authority that Jesus Christ Himself put into place...it is rebellion...as much as a child not listening to the real passive aggressive attitude along with sociopathic leanings of its mother when told to stay off the road, but rebeling and getting hurt or worse...but we ARE talking eternity here...

love michelle

p.s. Jesus said that if you are in Him and He in you that the Father would send the Holy Spirit to abode in you...if you are not in the real Jesus Christ then you would not receive the Holy Spirit...you could be easily deceived by whatever spirit that YOU wanted to believe was the Holy Spirit...I think it is important to know that these deceived will progress no farther in their knowledge of God. If they are nice people to begin with they would naturally have a ideology that sounds trustworthy, even semi "religious" as to a "faith" (to themselves and others) but they would not have a theology, an understanding of God and His will towards him and mankind. kind of a one dimentional "faith"

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Killing Ananias and Sapphira

by irondork in

i happened to be reading this part of acts yesterday, ananias and sappira getting zapped for lying about keeping a portion of their profits.

it occurred to me, that is, like, oh my gawd, soooo old testament!

is there any other place in the new testament where a person was immediately executed by god for their error?

myelaine

dear NewChapter...

I don't like the fact that some people do go to hell. But I also know that God is righteous and He has sent His Son to save people from that place. Hell was created for the rebel angels and I'm also of the mind that they themselves have "created" it.

You have said that you don't think this earth is such a bad place to be. I know that living in the "west" isn't so bad at all, but there are places on this earth that are a hairs breadth away from hellish for most of the constituency. Whould you like this earth so much if you were living like that and everywhere you turned you saw chaos and misery and evil towards these poor ones without any relief in sight?...I wouldn't. The spirit of the most robust would soon wither while the body remained. The bible talks about this when it says that a man will hope for death but it will not come...it will flee from him.

This is the darkness that will remain for those who refuse to come to the Light of the world who is Jesus Christ. You will notice that I say refuse...they have also, like some angels, rebelled against the Light. There are many, many people throughout time who haven't heard the gospel these ones have never rebelled...there is a difference between neutrality and rebellion.

When Jesus first appeared on earth it was noted that the Light had appeared and people were called into that Light. That Light is now in heaven in the kingdom of God. The absence of that Light is darkness...the same darkness that is spoken of in Jude 6.

I am not here to condemn people to hell or anything of the sort. I am here to warn people of the consequenses of refusing or outright rebellion against the Light. I thank God for the extra time He has given the church to sound the alarm. Those who will hear and respond to the Light are very precious to me, they are my neighbours in the heavenly kingdom.

The reason I am relentless in my ministry is because I take God very seriously. I have made confessed with my mouth and believe in my heart. I value integrity and loyalty. the confession: (the apostles creed) is a vow of sorts between God, the church/brotherhood and myself. When I see one of my brothers in the faith being duplicious by confessing that creed and yet encouraging someone who doesn't agree with that creed in their belief(ie: if one in convinced and confesses that the Almighty is God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit then it is self evident that he is lying to God, his brethern and all the angels when he encourages one to believe that God is also NOT of that nature); loyalty to God and that brother compells me to say something. Not only for the sake of that brother but for the sake of the one he has been intrusted by God to teach and shepherd. The bible says that if the blind lead the blind then both shall fall into the ditch...the same goes for someone who is misdirected because they are being encouraged along the wrong way.

Now it is true that Jesus said that you have no need of a teacher because the Holy Spirit would lead you into all truth...but He said that to the teachers, the apostles who He hand picked personally...Tammy says that she doesn't need to be taught by anyone because she has the "spirit of christ" to teach her...but just because a spirit seems loving doesn't mean that spirit is the real Holy Spirit who leads into all truth. Seriously, she would have everyone believe that everything that Jesus said about the reality of a place called hell and everything He said about the consequence of rejecting His salvation and the seriousness of sin before a Holy God are "not coming from a heart of love" and therefore not from her "spirit of christ" which she believes to be the uncompremised truth. She believes and would have us believe that from the very beginning when the church started warning about consequences up until today there has been grave apostasy starting with the false pen of the scribes who wrote the gospel and letters that were collected to become our bible...like it was some big ass conspirecy to control people. Jesus called on "peter" to feed/teach the sheep. the bible is set apart from the evil perpetrated by some of histories "shepherds" in the fact that it remains and they are no longer here. "Peter" still feeds the sheep. And "peter" still has the authority to shepherd the sheep in absence of Jesus Christ...He never took that calling away and so when Tammy rejects the food/teaching of the church in favor of "a loving spirit" she is directly rejecting those who Jesus placed over her as an authoritive voice on matters pretaining to God, her salvation and the effective working of "the body". like the rebel angels she instigates chaos and rebellion...regardless of how sweetly she flavors it.(jude 8)

love michelle

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three metamorphosis of the sprit,

by d in

myelaine

hot, cold or lukewarm?

love michelle