Posts by myelaine

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New guy on the block

by danno in

i am new to the forum, but i have been lurking in the shadows for a couple of months.

i found this site because my mom accidentally bookmarked it on my computer.

my mom doesn't realise that i know she has been posting.

myelaine

awww...getting a bit misty eyed over here. good job mom and welcome danno

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Who in the hell ate Abraham,s food, Angels or God?

by jam in

ok folks,.

gen.18;1-8 the lord appeared to him by the oak tree.. gen.18:5 he fetch a morsel of bread for his guest.. gen.18;6 sarah makes meal, knead it and made cakes.. gen.18:7 abraham ran to the herd and took a calf, tender.

and good.. gen.18:8 he set it before them and he stood by them under.

myelaine

dear jam...

"Have anyone heard of women angels? Men angels in every appearance that I can think of. I may be wrong."

Who is she who looks forth as the morning,
Fair as the moon,
Clear as the sun,
Awesome as an army with banners?

Return, return, O Shulamite;
Return, return, that we may look upon you!

What would you see in the Shulamite—
As it were, the dance of the two camps?song of solomon 6:10,12

love michelle

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Video tribute to Oompa (Eric Reeder)

by cedars in

jw
friends

i didn't know eric particularly well, and i feel terrible that i didn't reach out to him more or try to help him while i still had the opportunity.. i feel extremely helpless, but the least i can do is help others remember him who knew him better.. here is a video i've uploaded to youtube in his honor.... .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67a0imd6dng.

i hope it helps us as we mourn a much-loved member of this forum.. .

myelaine

dear cedars...

that video is a lovely tribute to oompa. and your music selection is perfect.

love michelle

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SAFE WAY to awaken, VERY POWERFUL. Even called Bethel elder on it.

by EndofMysteries in

i've found this topic and subject to be extremely powerful.

this is for those who still believe in god, realize the wt is apostate, and trying to help family.

(meaning i do not wish it to be used on trying to turn people athiest, i respect everyone's choices, i just believe and would hate my help to do what i feel is wrong) it might help fix things, or if you are still wondering how to awaken them without scaring them and being instantly shunned.

myelaine

dear EndofMysteries...

I said that the core church was undivided...as there were obviously those who left the church community being "NOT one of us" 1 john 2:19.

one of the tenents of christianity is that when one becomes born again in Jesus Christ they have gone from death to life. In that respect Jesus Christ did most certainly put an end to death for those who are born again as is illustrated in hebrews 12:21-22. those who enter into the community of God (His kingdom) through Jesus Christ are the first born and registered in heaven...they have passed from death to life.

do you understand that some scripture is parenthetical meaning that not everyone will be involved in, see or even understand these events unfolding but that they do unfold in their time. (see matthew 24:15 as an example of this) many events in ezekiel are such events...indeed the first part of ezekiel shows that only ezekiel "sees" the vision of the angels and their "activity".

I would like to go back to what I was saying in my previous post about using scripture to interpret the times and the times to interpret the scripture...the scenes in the book of revelation are an interpretive framework.

...for example I live in this time and I live my life and experience the world through the eyes of an orthodox christian. I don't experience and see through the eyes of a muslim, or JW or agnostic or athiest. I interpret what goes on around me in light of my experience(in orthodox christian mode so to speak). what happens in my life and your life and what happens in the world are real events they don't have to be interpreted to know what they are, they are events and experiences that just happen. the events in the orthodox church, the turning away from sound doctrine, the rise of cults and un-orthodox sects happened. we don't have find clues and uncover the fact that it happened...it didn't need to be interpreted. being an orthodox christian I am part of the experience of the orthodox church, these cults and sects came up against me and my community and drew people away. I experienced what happened from the inside not as an outside observer. takeing what really happened in my church community (real and true events)and applying events portrayed in the book of revelation(real and true events) as my interpretive framework I am able to "see" a correspondence. So being on the inside of the events happening and looking out it is easier to unravel these mysterious visions than it is for someone observing from the outside.

three questions:

1) have you found a better way to interpret the events in revelation?

2) if I and my community are on the inside...where are you?

3) what is holding you back from joining us?

love michelle

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SAFE WAY to awaken, VERY POWERFUL. Even called Bethel elder on it.

by EndofMysteries in

i've found this topic and subject to be extremely powerful.

this is for those who still believe in god, realize the wt is apostate, and trying to help family.

(meaning i do not wish it to be used on trying to turn people athiest, i respect everyone's choices, i just believe and would hate my help to do what i feel is wrong) it might help fix things, or if you are still wondering how to awaken them without scaring them and being instantly shunned.

myelaine

dear EndofMysteries...

thank you for asking me to explain. I will try the activities of God and the world are not static and so events portrayed in the bible shouldn't habitually be construed as something that is going to happen sometime in "the future". I mentioned the dates in reference to your statement because in order to solve the mystery you are confronted with you should use the scriptures to interpret the times AND the times to interpret the scriptures that is what revelation is about, seeking to reveal what is otherwise hidden. I think it is important to consider that things can be happening right in front of us and we aren't seeing it because we are stuck in the habit of thinking it couldn't happen to us, even though we KNOW that satan is subtle....

I think the 1000 years of the undivided church can be identified as the 1000 year reign of Jesus Christ in His church before the direct infiltration of satan to cause disunity over the question of WHO is the authority when up until that time the authority of Christ maintained unity.satan caused division by stoking the flames of mans pride and ego and men allowed pride to come before the unity that Jesus prayed for in His followers. the fact that it is almost 1000 years since that division can also be identified as being the end time when satan brings his forces against the church.

the visions in the book of revelation are not in cronological order so that we can possitively say one thing will be happening and then the next thing will be happening. often events are overlapping. for example, the saints reign with Christ in the church/zion for 1000 years and right after the thousand years satan is let loose but the saints are still being added to the church/zion (the city of God hebrews 12:22) while satan is simutaniously gathering his armies for the 1000 years. some scenes span great lengths of time...and a lot of events can happen on earth that seem to take no time at all in john's visions.

I hope you will agree that there has never been a greater turning away from the orthodox faith than there is in these days...much like it is portrayed in scripture that the gate of hell will be opened causing the locust army to be released to torment all those who DON'T have the seal of God. they will torment by way of false teaching. (I say teaching because this locust army looks something "like" (revelation 9:7-11) those who are in the army of God(revelation 9:17-21 [the latter also do harm to those who DON'T have the seal of God because they have their mission to cause people to repent TO God while the locust army has its mission to devour like the locust would devour the produce of a field]...I see this in the different cults and sects that have arisen during the last 100 years or so that cause the UN-sealed people to be abused in their spirit by slowly eating away at their spirit to the point that even the tender root would whither and become hardened...whereas the orthodox faith has seen an increase in christian apologists that would "plague" these in their counter evangelisim...this is ultimately a battle between the forces of God and satan.

the apostle paul says that before the second advent of Jesus Christ men will not endure sound doctrine but will heap up for themselves false teachers that would turn them aside from the truth.(2 timothy 4:3) sound doctrine is something that has been thoroughly analysed and accepted for a long time...NOT new doctrine that is said to be a return to the pure form of worship like the WT teaches or the other sects and cults (of which there are many) that say they have discovered what the ministry of Jesus "really" meant.

I think that because there is so much involvement in spiritism now a days it isn't even just a matter of people being deceived by the spirits of the fallen angels but the testimony of so of these spiritists is convincing evidence to the fact that many people have wholely given their bodies over to be fully possessed by these spirits and they unfortunately will find their "end" with these fallen angels...sometimes without completely comprehending what is going on.

BUT the will of God for israel His people (the *election) continues into the final harvest of the field(matthew 13:38-43), the wheat and the tares[rev 14:14-20](which He will hasten lest no flesh be saved) *Election just means that God is the one who took the initiative and He chose us.

love michelle

p.s. I would like to add that the different denominations/houses of the church were living peacefully and securely in their "city" before the turn of the last century when they became surrounded by the various cults and pseudo christian sects that arose to draw people away. rev. 20:7-9

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I Want Proof Jesus Even Existed

by Farkel in

don't bother me with the josephus addendum.

i've already seen that debunked.. i am quite aware of the fact that the only evidence of jesus comes from his own followers who didn't even bother to write down his life for decades after jesus "died.

" don't know about you, but if i saw all that shit, i would have gone home and written three books about it that same day!.

myelaine

dear sabastious...

you said: "One thing is clear, this mysterious "man" not only split Judaism in two, but he made such a ruckus that Isalm started because of the fighting between the Christians and the Jews OVER the idea of him. They concluded that there could not be two gods, so instead of taking a side they created their own."

...that statement was completely OUT TO LUNCH

love michelle

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I Want Proof Jesus Even Existed

by Farkel in

don't bother me with the josephus addendum.

i've already seen that debunked.. i am quite aware of the fact that the only evidence of jesus comes from his own followers who didn't even bother to write down his life for decades after jesus "died.

" don't know about you, but if i saw all that shit, i would have gone home and written three books about it that same day!.

myelaine

dear donny...

you said: "When I read the Bible without any outside influence or commentaries, it is quite clear to me that Jesus and Paul were talking about the kingdom of God coming in their time (1st century"...

theoretically the kingdom of God is where ever Jesus exists as King. that is why Jesus could say that the kingdom is in your midst when He was standing among His disciples.

isaiah 60 is speaking of a "place" where the Saviour reigns a "place" called Zion. see also: hebrews 12:22-24...Zion/the church of the firstborn starts with one person believing that Jesus Christ is King and the kingdom grows from there...

Also your people shall all be righteous; They shall inherit the land forever, the branch of My planting, the work of My hands, that I may be glorified. A little one shall become a thousand, And a small one a strong nation. I, the LORD, will hasten it in its time. isaiah 60:21- 22...and then chapter 61 announces the advent of the Messiah.

love michelle

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Killing Ananias and Sapphira

by irondork in

i happened to be reading this part of acts yesterday, ananias and sappira getting zapped for lying about keeping a portion of their profits.

it occurred to me, that is, like, oh my gawd, soooo old testament!

is there any other place in the new testament where a person was immediately executed by god for their error?

myelaine

dear Tammy...

the universal church consists of all the blood bought believers in Jesus Christ. There is, of course, the matter of being "found" in Him or abiding in the doctrine of the Christ...not some other personal version of "the Son of God". 2 john 10-11.

the matter of settling who He is was needed precisely because there were various "opinions" about who He is...this authoritive settling of who He is and articulating it to the congregations was a measure taken early on to stave off a GREAT apostasy...until the end times which the apostles spoke about more.

you asked: "I mean, anyone can claim to have the seal of the living God. I am curious how you know this 'church' has this seal? "...God has been and is adding to the numbers of the orthodox or accepted christian church everyday all over the world without long hours of indoctrination for generation after generation...isaiah 59:20-21, 60:1-22...Praise the Lord!

you said: "A consensus might be the mark of unity, but that does not make it the mark of truth."...it is when God is intimately involved in leading His church.

you said: "But we were not speaking of these groups, were we? While interesting for another discussion, we are speaking of those who are for Christ and God, but who might differ on a doctrinal matter."...I was responding to your statement that as long as people are practicing... "if it is the spirit of love, compassion, mercy, faith, forgiveness, that dwells within you and that you act upon... then good for you."...then they are looking to or following Christ. As well, you have stated on more than one occasion that there are people who belong to Christ who don't even know it because they have these characteristics when Jesus states that you have to believe in Him to belong to Him.

you said: "I did not say they were not his sheep... I would not make that judgment. YOU say that I cannot be his sheep. YOU say that I cannot hear His voice."...I'm saying that I don't think you are hearing the voice of the Lord but some other voice. And that your opinion of who God is is rather irrelevant to those who don't hear that audible voice as there is no confirmation what-so-ever as to the validity of what you are stating...the boreans, as an example, did have confirmation as to the truth of what the apostles were saying...in the written hebrew texts...

you said: "By extension, they might have. [heard His voice] But that does not mean that they are limited to this, does it? They CAN hear HIS voice, themselves. Is there some reason to believe otherwise?"...think about your statement, Tammy...why would they go to other sources, that you call corrupted, to get confirmation of something they can hear directly from the voice of the Spirit?...what would be the point of them doing that, you don't???

you said: "Denying that He is the Christ... is just that. Denying that He is the Messiah. Simple. Not complicated."...o.k. how could members of the christian congregation who believed in the Father and the Son, at the same time, be "accused" of not believing the doctrine of Christ and that He came in the flesh?...(2 john 7, 9)...the Saviour, of which the OT states is the LORD God (isaiah 43:3...came in the flesh...1 john 5:6.

love michelle

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The Bible-- Full of Errors And Inconsistencies?

by Recovery in

i noticed in the "magic" thread many former jw's no longer adhere to the bible as the unerring and accurate word of god.

if you feel this way, can you please list any specific reasons/arguments as to why not.

this thread isn't for debating purposes, but simply for listing.

myelaine

dear Finkelstein...

ok, I get where this thread is "coming from" now.

in your example of God not changing but later repenting it can be seen in scripture that the nature and values of God don't change but within His character (like His human creation themselves) there is the probibility of the emotion of regret, joy, sadness, pleasure etc.

we can't take just one scripture and exclude the rest to draw a conclusion about God or anything else in the bible. The bible itself is full of data that must be evaluated in order to gain insight into the issue of how God has and does interact with His creation. It would be a lot easier for us if God wrote the whole history of His dealings with mankind (and especially israel) without any errors or inconsistencies but then that wouldn't be condusive to His wanting us to seek Him out through His continued interaction with us, would it?

love michelle

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The Bible-- Full of Errors And Inconsistencies?

by Recovery in

i noticed in the "magic" thread many former jw's no longer adhere to the bible as the unerring and accurate word of god.

if you feel this way, can you please list any specific reasons/arguments as to why not.

this thread isn't for debating purposes, but simply for listing.

myelaine

dear Finkelstein...

you said: "In that sense shouldn't these stories be subjectively evaluated"...

they are...it is the opportunity of each member of the church to evaluate how these teachings "work" for them with the intent to maintain a thriving christian community and further the [hands and feet] work of Jesus Christ within the broader society in which they must move about as ambassadors. for instance, one of the dictates involved in the great commission (teach them to do ALL things I have commanded) is to minister to the physical needs of "the nations/society" and it has seen the building of hospitals...childrens sponsorship programs etc.

love michelle