dear cofty...
Hahaha...Why is it that YOU feel the need to hurl invectives at me because I don't share your opinions?
love michelle
for me, the dead giveaway is this.
jesus wrote nothing.. stop and think about that.. if jesus were the authentic messiah, his ministry would not simply be local.. his instructions, his mission, the details of his teachings would be too precious to risk leaving it in the hands of "men unlettered (illiterate) and ordinary (blue-collar yokels).".
jesus, were he the one and only hope of mankind, would be absolutely certain to write down with great simplicity and specificity the exact owner's manual necessary to rescue mankind.. never happened!.
dear cofty...
Hahaha...Why is it that YOU feel the need to hurl invectives at me because I don't share your opinions?
love michelle
for me, the dead giveaway is this.
jesus wrote nothing.. stop and think about that.. if jesus were the authentic messiah, his ministry would not simply be local.. his instructions, his mission, the details of his teachings would be too precious to risk leaving it in the hands of "men unlettered (illiterate) and ordinary (blue-collar yokels).".
jesus, were he the one and only hope of mankind, would be absolutely certain to write down with great simplicity and specificity the exact owner's manual necessary to rescue mankind.. never happened!.
dear cofty...
I've made an observation about how Terry has spent some of his time here. How is that nasty OR vindictive?
for me, the dead giveaway is this.
jesus wrote nothing.. stop and think about that.. if jesus were the authentic messiah, his ministry would not simply be local.. his instructions, his mission, the details of his teachings would be too precious to risk leaving it in the hands of "men unlettered (illiterate) and ordinary (blue-collar yokels).".
jesus, were he the one and only hope of mankind, would be absolutely certain to write down with great simplicity and specificity the exact owner's manual necessary to rescue mankind.. never happened!.
dear Terry...
you said, "The point of this Discussion is so simple.
JESUS is the whole of Christianity and yet we must depend on other people's words about every single detail. Christians see treasure in the Bible and yet each has a separate and distinctopinion about what it says and means."...
You know the NT writers' words (so that you get a sense of the complete person and mission) about Jesus varies little. They are all witnesses to the same person. "JESUS is the whole of Christianity" is YOUR statement!!! You've argued AGAINST just about everything written about Him in the bible on this forum and so saying, essentially, YOU can't know about Jesus (and His salvation) based on other peoples descriptions is disingenuous. Now, if you'd displayed hand wringing angst for the last 11 years I might be more inclined to believe you genuinely CAN'T form your decision for Christ and your salvation.
love michelle
for me, the dead giveaway is this.
jesus wrote nothing.. stop and think about that.. if jesus were the authentic messiah, his ministry would not simply be local.. his instructions, his mission, the details of his teachings would be too precious to risk leaving it in the hands of "men unlettered (illiterate) and ordinary (blue-collar yokels).".
jesus, were he the one and only hope of mankind, would be absolutely certain to write down with great simplicity and specificity the exact owner's manual necessary to rescue mankind.. never happened!.
dear Half banana...
the WTBTS tells people to put education and life on hold. I don't know of any mainstream denomination that doesn't value education and a fulfilling life for congregants.
You'll find that outside the WT people generally study want interests them. There are christians (and people of other faiths) that are scientists, dentists, doctors, auto mechanics etc. too, you know.
love michelle
for me, the dead giveaway is this.
jesus wrote nothing.. stop and think about that.. if jesus were the authentic messiah, his ministry would not simply be local.. his instructions, his mission, the details of his teachings would be too precious to risk leaving it in the hands of "men unlettered (illiterate) and ordinary (blue-collar yokels).".
jesus, were he the one and only hope of mankind, would be absolutely certain to write down with great simplicity and specificity the exact owner's manual necessary to rescue mankind.. never happened!.
dear cofty...
it is written in the bible. I choose to believe that Jesus saves people from this place that was meant for satan and his angels. If you fault me for wanting people to avoid that fate then you are the one that is twisted...not me. You know as well as I do that a believer warns people out of love...just because you no longer believe doesn't mean you can now impugn my motives.
for me, the dead giveaway is this.
jesus wrote nothing.. stop and think about that.. if jesus were the authentic messiah, his ministry would not simply be local.. his instructions, his mission, the details of his teachings would be too precious to risk leaving it in the hands of "men unlettered (illiterate) and ordinary (blue-collar yokels).".
jesus, were he the one and only hope of mankind, would be absolutely certain to write down with great simplicity and specificity the exact owner's manual necessary to rescue mankind.. never happened!.
dear the liberator...
you said, " And while we personally don't want to abuse God's forgiveness, I can't limit the time span of God's forgiveness for others"...
No, we don't want to abuse God's forgiveness nor limit the time span of God's forgiveness. However, we don't want to say things that give the impression that people HAVE all the time in the world to come to a decision either. Scripture says this is the day of salvation...no one is guaranteed a tomorrow.
I understand that you were speaking to more people than just Terry, so was I...AND I was addressing Terry specifically. He can and does say all kinds of nasty things about God. That isn't what I commented on. My comment (and I'm sure T didn't miss it) related to the fact that Terry knows he's an intelligent guy, yet he's implying that God, by using "illiterates" to spread the gospel, has made it too messed up for HIS mind to grasp. I called BS...a lot of feeble minded people were able to choose Jesus as their saviour with less "light" than he has been given...no one is doing him a favour by suggesting (which you did) that Jesus will ask the Father to "forgive them" because "they know not what they do"...
Terry continues to harden his own heart toward God...in fact believers should be extra vigilant in reminding him he has to make a choice soon BEFORE God decides He has given him enough time and then, like pharaoh, God hardens his heart so that he never repents and seeks forgiveness...He will give him over to his own way.
scripture says that men (who are given over to their own way) like that refuse to repent and will blaspheme God even more when they are thrown into the lake of fire. Such that, there is a continuous outpouring of God's wrath on them. They are distanced from God relationally but not positionally as scripture says they will be in torments forever in the presence of the Lamb.
I will not, not remind him...and everyone else listening in...Look, Jesus never did anything to hurt you and you know the bible says He will take your burdens away. He will free you from your past...what are you waiting for?
love michelle
for me, the dead giveaway is this.
jesus wrote nothing.. stop and think about that.. if jesus were the authentic messiah, his ministry would not simply be local.. his instructions, his mission, the details of his teachings would be too precious to risk leaving it in the hands of "men unlettered (illiterate) and ordinary (blue-collar yokels).".
jesus, were he the one and only hope of mankind, would be absolutely certain to write down with great simplicity and specificity the exact owner's manual necessary to rescue mankind.. never happened!.
dear theliberator...
Terry is smart enough to see the difference between a religious institution and the person of Christ. Spiritual abuse isn't a "get out of jail free" card, so to speak.
Do you think that God would have sympathy for a spiritually abused JW, allowing him a pass on having to MAKE a choice for Jesus and salvation, when He has ALWAYS had children being persecuted and martyred BECAUSE they made that choice?
Your kind and understanding words to Terry are seductive aren't they...
love michelle
for me, the dead giveaway is this.
jesus wrote nothing.. stop and think about that.. if jesus were the authentic messiah, his ministry would not simply be local.. his instructions, his mission, the details of his teachings would be too precious to risk leaving it in the hands of "men unlettered (illiterate) and ordinary (blue-collar yokels).".
jesus, were he the one and only hope of mankind, would be absolutely certain to write down with great simplicity and specificity the exact owner's manual necessary to rescue mankind.. never happened!.
dear Terry...
you said, "Salvation is so mishandled, inept and loosey-goosey, it can't be taken for fact.
Sorry folks. Game Over.
Almighty God would be an idiot to jeopardize the rescue of humanity."...
So, are you blaming God FOR something here?
To be clear, you HAVE been given sufficient "light" to choose salvation in Jesus if you WANT to.
love michelle
'granular' seems to be the latest buzz word going around my office.
previously it was 'appetite'.. abstract words that appear to be designed to make the person saying it appear powerful and part of the 'team'.. as lord sugar has observed before; why not just speak english and say what you mean.. office jargon really annoys me.
i had enough loaded language and jargon in the disgusting jw cult..
I would get growlly a few years back when everyone wanted to "touch base"...(just writing that was irritating)
i have heard that there are some or at least one new song that is way out there.
what number is it or a link to it on youtube.
thanks.