Posts by myelaine

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OKAY, GAME OVER! The number one reason the New Testament amounts to bunk

by Terry in

for me, the dead giveaway is this.

jesus wrote nothing.. stop and think about that.. if jesus were the authentic messiah, his ministry would not simply be local.. his instructions, his mission, the details of his teachings would be too precious to risk leaving it in the hands of "men unlettered (illiterate) and ordinary (blue-collar yokels).".

jesus, were he the one and only hope of mankind, would be absolutely certain to write down with great simplicity and specificity the exact owner's manual necessary to rescue mankind.. never happened!.

myelaine

cofty says...

"There is not a single word in the NT that directly opposes slavery."...

BUT, even if there were, the authenticity will be called into question by you.

So, you're making your argument based on the silence of the written texts when evidence concludes that the gospel and teaching of Jesus was first of all oral?

The fact is, early followers of Jesus were known as good people who bucked at the prevailing attitudes and values of the establishment, both roman and jewish. "primus inter pares" being the norm.

OT typeology: "Leviticus 25:13 “In the year of this jubilee ye shall return every man unto his possession.” (17) “Ye shall not therefore oppress one another; but thou shalt fear thy God: for I am the LORD your God.”

The object of the year of Jubilee was liberty and to break all oppression. The Jubilee was a type or forerunner of what it would be under the reign of King Messiah. The Jubilee was to set the stage for the coming of King Messiah as His reign would be one continual Jubilee. All oppression would end under His rule. Justice and truth would reign."

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OKAY, GAME OVER! The number one reason the New Testament amounts to bunk

by Terry in

for me, the dead giveaway is this.

jesus wrote nothing.. stop and think about that.. if jesus were the authentic messiah, his ministry would not simply be local.. his instructions, his mission, the details of his teachings would be too precious to risk leaving it in the hands of "men unlettered (illiterate) and ordinary (blue-collar yokels).".

jesus, were he the one and only hope of mankind, would be absolutely certain to write down with great simplicity and specificity the exact owner's manual necessary to rescue mankind.. never happened!.

myelaine

cofty...

you want me to examine the evidence? The only countries that have fully abolished slavery are functioning democracies modelled on christian principles of equality for all men as imbued by the creator. These same christian principles have shaped the citizenry of these democracies to BE fair, just and compassionate. These are not innate characteristics of every contemporary society...look at the evidence yourself.

you're misinformed if you think that you can take your acquired 21st century values and compare them tit for tat to ancient eastern Semitic tribes and get any kind of important data that makes you "better" than them.

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OKAY, GAME OVER! The number one reason the New Testament amounts to bunk

by Terry in

for me, the dead giveaway is this.

jesus wrote nothing.. stop and think about that.. if jesus were the authentic messiah, his ministry would not simply be local.. his instructions, his mission, the details of his teachings would be too precious to risk leaving it in the hands of "men unlettered (illiterate) and ordinary (blue-collar yokels).".

jesus, were he the one and only hope of mankind, would be absolutely certain to write down with great simplicity and specificity the exact owner's manual necessary to rescue mankind.. never happened!.

myelaine

cofty...

I believe, based on the scriptures, that a certain fate awaits people who don't find their salvation in Jesus. Warning people about that fate is not threatening them nor is it a vile pursuit.

You, however, twisting my meaning and motives to suit your purposes and then insulting and berating me on account of the straw man you've erected is pathetic. Grow up or go away.

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OKAY, GAME OVER! The number one reason the New Testament amounts to bunk

by Terry in

for me, the dead giveaway is this.

jesus wrote nothing.. stop and think about that.. if jesus were the authentic messiah, his ministry would not simply be local.. his instructions, his mission, the details of his teachings would be too precious to risk leaving it in the hands of "men unlettered (illiterate) and ordinary (blue-collar yokels).".

jesus, were he the one and only hope of mankind, would be absolutely certain to write down with great simplicity and specificity the exact owner's manual necessary to rescue mankind.. never happened!.

myelaine

dear Terry...

come on...you know I've quoted non-canonical scripture to you personally so I'm NOT going to argue for protestant bible only and above the catholic bible.

the is enough "light" in the NT to know that Jesus is presented as the only Saviour of men. ante nicene bishops have written extensively on Christ. One of them, polycarp(?) was a disciple of the apostle John. There are just too many early accounts of the ministry of Jesus (that agree)from all points proceeding from Jerusalem to discount the historicity and accuracy of the accounts relayed by the first followers as all loosy-goosy. Many people see the hand of God guiding and nurturing the infant church.

I can understand why YOU don't see it, though. The apostle paul was also blind to the workings of the Spirit of God while he was labouring under his own assumptions.

love michelle

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OKAY, GAME OVER! The number one reason the New Testament amounts to bunk

by Terry in

for me, the dead giveaway is this.

jesus wrote nothing.. stop and think about that.. if jesus were the authentic messiah, his ministry would not simply be local.. his instructions, his mission, the details of his teachings would be too precious to risk leaving it in the hands of "men unlettered (illiterate) and ordinary (blue-collar yokels).".

jesus, were he the one and only hope of mankind, would be absolutely certain to write down with great simplicity and specificity the exact owner's manual necessary to rescue mankind.. never happened!.

myelaine

dear cofty...

Hahaha...Why is it that YOU feel the need to hurl invectives at me because I don't share your opinions?

love michelle

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OKAY, GAME OVER! The number one reason the New Testament amounts to bunk

by Terry in

for me, the dead giveaway is this.

jesus wrote nothing.. stop and think about that.. if jesus were the authentic messiah, his ministry would not simply be local.. his instructions, his mission, the details of his teachings would be too precious to risk leaving it in the hands of "men unlettered (illiterate) and ordinary (blue-collar yokels).".

jesus, were he the one and only hope of mankind, would be absolutely certain to write down with great simplicity and specificity the exact owner's manual necessary to rescue mankind.. never happened!.

myelaine

dear cofty...

I've made an observation about how Terry has spent some of his time here. How is that nasty OR vindictive?

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OKAY, GAME OVER! The number one reason the New Testament amounts to bunk

by Terry in

for me, the dead giveaway is this.

jesus wrote nothing.. stop and think about that.. if jesus were the authentic messiah, his ministry would not simply be local.. his instructions, his mission, the details of his teachings would be too precious to risk leaving it in the hands of "men unlettered (illiterate) and ordinary (blue-collar yokels).".

jesus, were he the one and only hope of mankind, would be absolutely certain to write down with great simplicity and specificity the exact owner's manual necessary to rescue mankind.. never happened!.

myelaine

dear Terry...

you said, "The point of this Discussion is so simple.

JESUS is the whole of Christianity and yet we must depend on other people's words about every single detail. Christians see treasure in the Bible and yet each has a separate and distinctopinion about what it says and means."...

You know the NT writers' words (so that you get a sense of the complete person and mission) about Jesus varies little. They are all witnesses to the same person. "JESUS is the whole of Christianity" is YOUR statement!!! You've argued AGAINST just about everything written about Him in the bible on this forum and so saying, essentially, YOU can't know about Jesus (and His salvation) based on other peoples descriptions is disingenuous. Now, if you'd displayed hand wringing angst for the last 11 years I might be more inclined to believe you genuinely CAN'T form your decision for Christ and your salvation.

love michelle

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OKAY, GAME OVER! The number one reason the New Testament amounts to bunk

by Terry in

for me, the dead giveaway is this.

jesus wrote nothing.. stop and think about that.. if jesus were the authentic messiah, his ministry would not simply be local.. his instructions, his mission, the details of his teachings would be too precious to risk leaving it in the hands of "men unlettered (illiterate) and ordinary (blue-collar yokels).".

jesus, were he the one and only hope of mankind, would be absolutely certain to write down with great simplicity and specificity the exact owner's manual necessary to rescue mankind.. never happened!.

myelaine

dear Half banana...

the WTBTS tells people to put education and life on hold. I don't know of any mainstream denomination that doesn't value education and a fulfilling life for congregants.

You'll find that outside the WT people generally study want interests them. There are christians (and people of other faiths) that are scientists, dentists, doctors, auto mechanics etc. too, you know.

love michelle

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OKAY, GAME OVER! The number one reason the New Testament amounts to bunk

by Terry in

for me, the dead giveaway is this.

jesus wrote nothing.. stop and think about that.. if jesus were the authentic messiah, his ministry would not simply be local.. his instructions, his mission, the details of his teachings would be too precious to risk leaving it in the hands of "men unlettered (illiterate) and ordinary (blue-collar yokels).".

jesus, were he the one and only hope of mankind, would be absolutely certain to write down with great simplicity and specificity the exact owner's manual necessary to rescue mankind.. never happened!.

myelaine

dear cofty...

it is written in the bible. I choose to believe that Jesus saves people from this place that was meant for satan and his angels. If you fault me for wanting people to avoid that fate then you are the one that is twisted...not me. You know as well as I do that a believer warns people out of love...just because you no longer believe doesn't mean you can now impugn my motives.

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OKAY, GAME OVER! The number one reason the New Testament amounts to bunk

by Terry in

for me, the dead giveaway is this.

jesus wrote nothing.. stop and think about that.. if jesus were the authentic messiah, his ministry would not simply be local.. his instructions, his mission, the details of his teachings would be too precious to risk leaving it in the hands of "men unlettered (illiterate) and ordinary (blue-collar yokels).".

jesus, were he the one and only hope of mankind, would be absolutely certain to write down with great simplicity and specificity the exact owner's manual necessary to rescue mankind.. never happened!.

myelaine

dear the liberator...

you said, " And while we personally don't want to abuse God's forgiveness, I can't limit the time span of God's forgiveness for others"...

No, we don't want to abuse God's forgiveness nor limit the time span of God's forgiveness. However, we don't want to say things that give the impression that people HAVE all the time in the world to come to a decision either. Scripture says this is the day of salvation...no one is guaranteed a tomorrow.

I understand that you were speaking to more people than just Terry, so was I...AND I was addressing Terry specifically. He can and does say all kinds of nasty things about God. That isn't what I commented on. My comment (and I'm sure T didn't miss it) related to the fact that Terry knows he's an intelligent guy, yet he's implying that God, by using "illiterates" to spread the gospel, has made it too messed up for HIS mind to grasp. I called BS...a lot of feeble minded people were able to choose Jesus as their saviour with less "light" than he has been given...no one is doing him a favour by suggesting (which you did) that Jesus will ask the Father to "forgive them" because "they know not what they do"...

Terry continues to harden his own heart toward God...in fact believers should be extra vigilant in reminding him he has to make a choice soon BEFORE God decides He has given him enough time and then, like pharaoh, God hardens his heart so that he never repents and seeks forgiveness...He will give him over to his own way.

scripture says that men (who are given over to their own way) like that refuse to repent and will blaspheme God even more when they are thrown into the lake of fire. Such that, there is a continuous outpouring of God's wrath on them. They are distanced from God relationally but not positionally as scripture says they will be in torments forever in the presence of the Lamb.

I will not, not remind him...and everyone else listening in...Look, Jesus never did anything to hurt you and you know the bible says He will take your burdens away. He will free you from your past...what are you waiting for?

love michelle