for me, the dead giveaway is this.
jesus wrote nothing.. stop and think about that.. if jesus were the authentic messiah, his ministry would not simply be local.. his instructions, his mission, the details of his teachings would be too precious to risk leaving it in the hands of "men unlettered (illiterate) and ordinary (blue-collar yokels).".
jesus, were he the one and only hope of mankind, would be absolutely certain to write down with great simplicity and specificity the exact owner's manual necessary to rescue mankind.. never happened!.
dear megaboy...
you said, "The problem with the Messiah was that to most people back then, you really would have assumed him to be a normal person, and would have to be aware of the prophecies..."
those who recognized Jesus were part of the remnant of God's people who hadn't bent their knee to other baal(s). There never was an OT expectation that everyone who did hear or see Him would recognize Him even if they DID know the prophesy. Yet, someone like Nathanael (john 1:45-49) did.
love michelle
for me, the dead giveaway is this.
jesus wrote nothing.. stop and think about that.. if jesus were the authentic messiah, his ministry would not simply be local.. his instructions, his mission, the details of his teachings would be too precious to risk leaving it in the hands of "men unlettered (illiterate) and ordinary (blue-collar yokels).".
jesus, were he the one and only hope of mankind, would be absolutely certain to write down with great simplicity and specificity the exact owner's manual necessary to rescue mankind.. never happened!.
for me, the dead giveaway is this.
jesus wrote nothing.. stop and think about that.. if jesus were the authentic messiah, his ministry would not simply be local.. his instructions, his mission, the details of his teachings would be too precious to risk leaving it in the hands of "men unlettered (illiterate) and ordinary (blue-collar yokels).".
jesus, were he the one and only hope of mankind, would be absolutely certain to write down with great simplicity and specificity the exact owner's manual necessary to rescue mankind.. never happened!.
GGreatTeacher...
I said, God will, at some point, decide to harded the heart of THOSE who continually harden their hearts. THOSE will continue to blaspheme God in the lake of fire.
I did NOT say that Terry's heart has been hardened by God and he is going to hell.
for me, the dead giveaway is this.
jesus wrote nothing.. stop and think about that.. if jesus were the authentic messiah, his ministry would not simply be local.. his instructions, his mission, the details of his teachings would be too precious to risk leaving it in the hands of "men unlettered (illiterate) and ordinary (blue-collar yokels).".
jesus, were he the one and only hope of mankind, would be absolutely certain to write down with great simplicity and specificity the exact owner's manual necessary to rescue mankind.. never happened!.
GGreatTeacher...
ummm...yeah, that's not a quote of mine.
Your reading comprehension sucks too.
for me, the dead giveaway is this.
jesus wrote nothing.. stop and think about that.. if jesus were the authentic messiah, his ministry would not simply be local.. his instructions, his mission, the details of his teachings would be too precious to risk leaving it in the hands of "men unlettered (illiterate) and ordinary (blue-collar yokels).".
jesus, were he the one and only hope of mankind, would be absolutely certain to write down with great simplicity and specificity the exact owner's manual necessary to rescue mankind.. never happened!.
cofty says...
"Moses wrote that god says..... lots of stuff. He quotes god word for word throughout the pentateuch"...
actually, if you read the text it sounds like someone is quoting moses(speaking WITH the authority of God)...the phrase used is, "and the LORD spoke to moses..." not..."and the LORD spoke to 'me'"...
just sayin'
for me, the dead giveaway is this.
jesus wrote nothing.. stop and think about that.. if jesus were the authentic messiah, his ministry would not simply be local.. his instructions, his mission, the details of his teachings would be too precious to risk leaving it in the hands of "men unlettered (illiterate) and ordinary (blue-collar yokels).".
jesus, were he the one and only hope of mankind, would be absolutely certain to write down with great simplicity and specificity the exact owner's manual necessary to rescue mankind.. never happened!.
cofty...
I didn't say the OT wasn't authentic and moses, speaking WITH the authority of God, extends to the jews TO THIS DAY. Your reading comprehension sucks.
for me, the dead giveaway is this.
jesus wrote nothing.. stop and think about that.. if jesus were the authentic messiah, his ministry would not simply be local.. his instructions, his mission, the details of his teachings would be too precious to risk leaving it in the hands of "men unlettered (illiterate) and ordinary (blue-collar yokels).".
jesus, were he the one and only hope of mankind, would be absolutely certain to write down with great simplicity and specificity the exact owner's manual necessary to rescue mankind.. never happened!.
for me, the dead giveaway is this.
jesus wrote nothing.. stop and think about that.. if jesus were the authentic messiah, his ministry would not simply be local.. his instructions, his mission, the details of his teachings would be too precious to risk leaving it in the hands of "men unlettered (illiterate) and ordinary (blue-collar yokels).".
jesus, were he the one and only hope of mankind, would be absolutely certain to write down with great simplicity and specificity the exact owner's manual necessary to rescue mankind.. never happened!.
dear Terry...
The gospel of john was a personal account of Jesus...the revelation to john is was he was told to write as he was seeing it in a vision. The revelation is a book that portrays the final battle between good and evil. The harshness expressed in it is to be expected for such an epic battle.
We are faced with the vision of two "camps": God's and satans. Until satan and his angels are cast to earth they are still heavenly principalities.(Ephesians 6:12) Once they are cast to the earth there is even more woe to the earth and to the sea. What is described as vindictive is Jesus ridding the earth of those who are in opposition to His righteous reign. Jesus literally supports PEOPLE (rev 6:10) who have been slaughtered by those who are in opposition to His righteous reign. The tribulation is satanic/demonic it is initiated against "good". The wrath of God is initiated against "evil".
As far as the dating of the book of revelation, in the following link mark hitchcock presents external evidence for an AD 95 date based on EARLY written testimony refering to the time and event of the revelation when john was on the island of patmos. that testimony refers to john being on the island during the reign of emperor domician. @ 24-26 minute mark.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=b6FOx_4wujg
love michelle
for me, the dead giveaway is this.
jesus wrote nothing.. stop and think about that.. if jesus were the authentic messiah, his ministry would not simply be local.. his instructions, his mission, the details of his teachings would be too precious to risk leaving it in the hands of "men unlettered (illiterate) and ordinary (blue-collar yokels).".
jesus, were he the one and only hope of mankind, would be absolutely certain to write down with great simplicity and specificity the exact owner's manual necessary to rescue mankind.. never happened!.
cofty...
I heard you the first time. Jesus was the exact image of His Father. What we saw and heard from Jesus was representitive of the Father.
Jesus didn't advocate for the things that you mentioned. ("slavery and infanticide and forced marriage/rape") You simply have no evidence to support your claim.
moses represented the IMPERFECT people..God called them "your" people. (as mediator) moses was also an IMPERFECT representative of God to his people.
The OT laws were ceremonial, sacrificial and civil...the civil law was, I believe, tasked to moses. the reason I believe that is because moses took the initiative to change the divorce laws, something he wouldn't have done if these civil laws were from the mouth of God.
Jesus was the PERFECT representitive of His Father to the people and a PERFECT representitive of man to God. Do you see the difference there?
for me, the dead giveaway is this.
jesus wrote nothing.. stop and think about that.. if jesus were the authentic messiah, his ministry would not simply be local.. his instructions, his mission, the details of his teachings would be too precious to risk leaving it in the hands of "men unlettered (illiterate) and ordinary (blue-collar yokels).".
jesus, were he the one and only hope of mankind, would be absolutely certain to write down with great simplicity and specificity the exact owner's manual necessary to rescue mankind.. never happened!.
cofty says...
"Jesus claimed that "he that has seen me has seen the father".
Therefore Jesus is a moral reprobate."
Oh, DID Jesus advocate for those things as a representitive of His Father? I must have missed your evidence
