Posts by myelaine

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Think for Yourself: Reform Judaism Uses JW Blood Issue For Shavuot

by David_Jay in

as the jewish holy day of shavuot (pentecost) begins this weekend, the reform judaism site publishes an interesting article entitled "judaism teaches: question authority, think for yourself.".

the article employs a jewish doctor's recollection of a jw patient who refused blood and died as an example of how both religious traditions greatly differ on how they see and apply god's law.. shavuot is the day jews recall god's giving the law to israel.

the article is significant in that it demonstrates how jews see the giving of the law as a call to questioning authority, including divine revelation itself whereas the death of the jw patient is contrasted as a slavish interpretation that misses the point behind jewish scripture.. for more see the article at:.

myelaine

dear TD...

you said, "If you view the Law as ultimately condemnatory, that's fine as long as you realize that you, as a Christian are not under it."...

I view the law as a guide or prescription for man to walk through life in the right way before a Holy God. I don't think that it is negative but positive. The reason behind paul saying it is "against" the gentile is simply because the gentile had never been subject to it before...we were "wild" so to speak. Much like the hebrews were before God found them "in a pool of blood (babies) and He took them in (gave them the torah) and they grew from children to a young maiden to His wife.(Ezekiel 16:3-14) This growth from babies to maturity is what is required in the "bride of Christ". I don't believe that paul taught "lawlessness" for the bride of Christ. He taught the gentiles that we were to put on the NEW man and leave behind the old man, that "wild, lawless man". In preparation to become the bride of Christ the gentile has to become someone that He can co-habitate with (lev. 16:32-34) not someone whom the law demands be removed from the camp. Christ went outside the camp to cleanse those ones so they could enter the camp...He didn't show this mercy (romans 5:8) so that we could go back to (wild) lawlessness but so that sin was covered by His blood and we could walk in NEWNESS of life. Newness of life for the gentile is a new path...God's path that He gave to the jews...that right path that is blessed and leads to blessings from God (deut 28:1-9)...these blessings were extended to the "stranger" in the camp back in the day just as they are extended to the gentile today...IF that gentile walks in "the Way" of God as the bride of Christ. The bible says very clearly that the bride has prepared HERSELF (some action on our part) and has washed her (filthy) robes in the blood of the Lamb...BEFORE she goes into the Fathers house to co-habitate with the bridegroom.

xo

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Think for Yourself: Reform Judaism Uses JW Blood Issue For Shavuot

by David_Jay in

as the jewish holy day of shavuot (pentecost) begins this weekend, the reform judaism site publishes an interesting article entitled "judaism teaches: question authority, think for yourself.".

the article employs a jewish doctor's recollection of a jw patient who refused blood and died as an example of how both religious traditions greatly differ on how they see and apply god's law.. shavuot is the day jews recall god's giving the law to israel.

the article is significant in that it demonstrates how jews see the giving of the law as a call to questioning authority, including divine revelation itself whereas the death of the jw patient is contrasted as a slavish interpretation that misses the point behind jewish scripture.. for more see the article at:.

myelaine

The jews are an ethnic group. Some know the Father, some know the Son and some don't believe in a creator at all and some just don't know.

the bible teaches that the "saints", those jews who believe in God will turn to Jesus as their Messiah. I don't doubt that God empowers them to bring their kinsmen into communion with God through Christ as a result.

Since you asked my opinion of yourself and given that I don't know you but only have the "tone" of your posts and what you say to go by, I'd answer, if you are a jw and a jew you straddle the very last group, I'm afraid. you don't know Jesus AS Saviour because you don't know God, technically you worship the golden calf called the WT. BUT there is hope, beloved!! When confronted with Christ and your kinsmen, surely you'll see the REAL Light.

xo

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Think for Yourself: Reform Judaism Uses JW Blood Issue For Shavuot

by David_Jay in

as the jewish holy day of shavuot (pentecost) begins this weekend, the reform judaism site publishes an interesting article entitled "judaism teaches: question authority, think for yourself.".

the article employs a jewish doctor's recollection of a jw patient who refused blood and died as an example of how both religious traditions greatly differ on how they see and apply god's law.. shavuot is the day jews recall god's giving the law to israel.

the article is significant in that it demonstrates how jews see the giving of the law as a call to questioning authority, including divine revelation itself whereas the death of the jw patient is contrasted as a slavish interpretation that misses the point behind jewish scripture.. for more see the article at:.

myelaine

dear Fisherman...

you said, "Seems that Jehovah wanted to kill as many as possible by unleashing the Roman army at the right time, only after the city was filled, using the law of Moses as a trap to catch as many as possible"...

First of all...the bible teaches explicity that the jews are God's chosen people, the apple of His eye and the bible teaches that they have a huge part in God's endtime purpose for the nations. The bible teaches that you shouldn't boast against the jews because if some of the natural branches weren't spared the wild ones wont be either.

secondly, Jesus was in conflict with the leaders of the temple, not the "laity". God would not ordain sacred assemblies for all His people and use that occasion to murder them. To suggest such a thing is slanderous and I'd like to take this opportunity to remind you that you will be held accountable for every-word-you-speak at the judgement seat.

p.s. "Shavouth

Interestingly corresponds with God's Holy Spirit operative upon non-Jews"...

Shavout is the commemoration of the giving of the gift of the torah...God's means of teaching His people to walk in His way. The gift of the Holy Spirit was for the same reason. It was poured out primarily on jews in jerusalem at pentecost not non-jews. Jesus told the visiting jews to TARRY in jerusalem until it was poured out.

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Think for Yourself: Reform Judaism Uses JW Blood Issue For Shavuot

by David_Jay in

as the jewish holy day of shavuot (pentecost) begins this weekend, the reform judaism site publishes an interesting article entitled "judaism teaches: question authority, think for yourself.".

the article employs a jewish doctor's recollection of a jw patient who refused blood and died as an example of how both religious traditions greatly differ on how they see and apply god's law.. shavuot is the day jews recall god's giving the law to israel.

the article is significant in that it demonstrates how jews see the giving of the law as a call to questioning authority, including divine revelation itself whereas the death of the jw patient is contrasted as a slavish interpretation that misses the point behind jewish scripture.. for more see the article at:.

myelaine

dear TD...

you said, "In Pauline theology, the Law brings death and is ultimately condemnatory because no man could keep it."...

paul's theology incorporated the legalities of the law and he indicates that ALL sin and fall short of the glory of God. The wages of sin is death. So the law is ultimately condemnatory of both jew and gentile. The jew because the law was a perfect "body" of guidelines and if a jew let one law fall then it was a trespass against the entire body of law. The grace afforded them was the sacrificial system. Paul was teaching gentiles this legal perspective in his gospel of Christ. Jesus was the perfect living word/torah who was propitiation if one let a law fall (by omission or commission) for BOTH jew and gentile alike. interestingly, Jesus states that He was sent first to the lost (off the path) sheep of the house of israel...and by 70AD with the destruction of the temple any who hadn't accepted Him as Messiah were forced by circumstance to let the sacrificial law fall.

love michelle

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NAILING DOWN the fraud of John 1:1 by demonstration

by TerryWalstrom in

call me crazy, but i love to watch seminary classes when sharp teachers are in charge of the instruction.. in the following video, the teacher really nails jehovah's witnesses on john 1:1 with utter simplicity.. begin at 1 hour and 20 minutes in.. i've never seen or heard of this before.. .

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_5qkj7tmbg.

myelaine

NT: by hebrews, about hebrews, in hebrew.

https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLD79886FC2583EC96

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NAILING DOWN the fraud of John 1:1 by demonstration

by TerryWalstrom in

call me crazy, but i love to watch seminary classes when sharp teachers are in charge of the instruction.. in the following video, the teacher really nails jehovah's witnesses on john 1:1 with utter simplicity.. begin at 1 hour and 20 minutes in.. i've never seen or heard of this before.. .

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_5qkj7tmbg.

myelaine

if your friday night is anything like my friday night then this video series has it goin' on!!

https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL0E346CF634AD0E30

enjoy :)

p.s. if you watch this series tonight you'll be meditating on God's word which is an important part of observing the sabbath (walking in wisdom) Or...you can just look at it as increasing knowledge.

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happy birthday.

by zeb in

jw
friends

just finished a walk today i came onto a happy family group of all the generations celebrating a tiny ones birthday.

they all sang ..happy birthday and i sang with my bass baritone the chorus, .."why was she born so beautiful why was she born at all.." silly words but they are happy words.

the family cheered their pleasure at this outsider joining in.

myelaine

Happy Birthday zeb!!...xo

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NAILING DOWN the fraud of John 1:1 by demonstration

by TerryWalstrom in

call me crazy, but i love to watch seminary classes when sharp teachers are in charge of the instruction.. in the following video, the teacher really nails jehovah's witnesses on john 1:1 with utter simplicity.. begin at 1 hour and 20 minutes in.. i've never seen or heard of this before.. .

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_5qkj7tmbg.

myelaine

"John is typically thought to have been influenced by the Stoics, and their account of the logos as the active, rational force that pervades the universe is one of the classic references"...

An active, rational/logical force present or prevading nature is not John's Logos, who is personal, moral and acts on conscience (and sometimes defies logic). john's Logos is set apart from nature by His creating it.

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NAILING DOWN the fraud of John 1:1 by demonstration

by TerryWalstrom in

call me crazy, but i love to watch seminary classes when sharp teachers are in charge of the instruction.. in the following video, the teacher really nails jehovah's witnesses on john 1:1 with utter simplicity.. begin at 1 hour and 20 minutes in.. i've never seen or heard of this before.. .

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_5qkj7tmbg.

myelaine

Regardless of the greek gramatical structure in the expression of Logos or Word, we should be looking at the hebrew understanding of who Jesus is since it is a hebrew teaching us.

hebrew understanding makes the "word" of God NOT an expression of inner thought but a dynamic force. "When GOD by His WORD created the heavens and the earth..." The hebrew word always carries with it the idea of accompanying deed. An example of this hebrew understanding is in the admonistion to not to be hearers of the word only but doers also. Likewise, His pre incarnate WORD was an action of God, the WORD wasn't a separate being...ie: a god. It was only when the WORD became flesh that there was a separateness but even then scripture teaches that STILL the fulness of God resided IN that man of flesh.

xo

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Is shunning unscriptual?

by MrTheocratic in

international version 1 cor 5:11. but now i am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler.

do not even eat with such people.. if shunning is wrong.

.how does one explain this scripture?.

myelaine

dear MrTheocratic...

Paul is making a distinction between those in the congregation (where you would share a fellowship meal including the elements with the "brother") and those who are outside. He says in verse 10 that he didn't mean stop associating with these people outside the fellowship. If the "brother" is removed from the fellowship ie: disfellowshipped...he becomes part of the world, no longer a "brother". In which case he can be associated with as paul says because he no longer "contaminates" the purity of the "bride" or congregation which was the point in disfellowshipping. The JW's have no scriptural grounds for SHUNNING outside the doors of the kingdom halls. Jesus didn't shun and paul didn't encourage it either. Paul says it another way and for a different reason...if someone comes to your house (for fellowship as was the case in the early church) and he doesn't have the doctrine of Christ, don't allow him in or your have a part in his evil ways. Again, this is about the purity of the fellowship not about associations outside the congregational fellowship "meetings"

If you look at the context of the statement about "it isn't what enters the mouth that defiles a man but what comes out" it is talking about transgressing the commandment of God which the pharisees were doing with their traditions of men. Jesus was saying that the fact that His disciples didn't wash their hands only introduced germs that would be later eliminated. The pharisees introduced traditions of men that weren't eliminated...these traditions came out of their mouths and resulted in transgression of the law.

Paul didn't give the go ahead to eat "whatever". Being a torah observant jew, the foods that were meant to be received with thanksgiving were kosher only. There were judaizers that were forbidding the eating of (presumably market meats that were purchased daily where one wouldn't know) meats that were given by God to be eaten because they COULD have been used in sacrifice to idols. Paul said basically don't worry...buy the kosher meat and it will be sanctified by your prayer over it. IF you are invited to someones house and they tell you that the meat was used in idol worship then don't eat it...in doing so you will affect the conscience of those gathered. (negatively for those who are not wanting to eat things used in idol worship or for those that don't care it would be positive affirmation that it doesn't matter what a christian eats. Paul was saying it's a bad witness all around if you KNOWINGLY eat foods used in idol worship)

love michelle