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  My 71st Birthday Confessional

  by TerryWalstrom in

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  i was born january 15, 1947in mt.

  carmel hospital, detroit, michigan.. within six months of my birth, my mother would bundle her baby boy into a blanket and board an american airlines propeller-driven plane--in effect, leaving my father behind--to return to her hometown, ft. worth, texas.. my dad had an excellent job working for cadillac as an inspector.

  it was a union job.

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  myelaine

  Happy Birthday Terry!

  xo
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  Jesus fulfilling old testament prophecies like his legs not being broken

  by Isambard Crater in

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  what are everyone's thoughts on this, how his legs weren't broken, he was pierced with a spear and he wore a thorny crown?.

  i'm pimo and very much not wanting to believe, but like the daniel statue prophecies, these ones about jesus stick in my mind and give me "hmmm, maybe" moments..

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  myelaine

  OnTheWayOut...

  Duck and run...Classic.
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  Jesus fulfilling old testament prophecies like his legs not being broken

  by Isambard Crater in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  what are everyone's thoughts on this, how his legs weren't broken, he was pierced with a spear and he wore a thorny crown?.

  i'm pimo and very much not wanting to believe, but like the daniel statue prophecies, these ones about jesus stick in my mind and give me "hmmm, maybe" moments..

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  Yes, Vander...

  I didn't reference that scripture intentionally. That scripture is regarded by christians as speaking about Jesus but by jews as speaking about the israelites. In other words, it's referrant and therefore truthfulness is in the eye of the beholder. The two scriptures I referenced in my argument are believed to be Messianic by both christians and jews, there is no added controversy I had to cut through before I unpackaged the statements themselves for unbelievers.
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  Jesus fulfilling old testament prophecies like his legs not being broken

  by Isambard Crater in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  what are everyone's thoughts on this, how his legs weren't broken, he was pierced with a spear and he wore a thorny crown?.

  i'm pimo and very much not wanting to believe, but like the daniel statue prophecies, these ones about jesus stick in my mind and give me "hmmm, maybe" moments..

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  OnTheWayOut...

  Let me put it to you this way...

  Do you deny that jerusalem society was greatly and irreversibly impacted by a noteable person of jewish descent in the 1st century? (A luminary, so to speak)

  Do you deny that it is that same person who was essentially responsible for gentile interest or belief in the God of the OT?

  I'm not asking you to let your mind wander into territory where you have to see things through the eye of faith or see things in a "spiritual" sense. The only way to regard those 2 prophecies I mentioned as unfulfilled is to deny reality.

  The specific prophecy about none of Jesus' bones being broken is a different matter, that prophecy being fulfilled is taken on faith. There is no concrete way of "measuring" the statement that they weren't broken, at this time.
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  Jesus fulfilling old testament prophecies like his legs not being broken

  by Isambard Crater in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  what are everyone's thoughts on this, how his legs weren't broken, he was pierced with a spear and he wore a thorny crown?.

  i'm pimo and very much not wanting to believe, but like the daniel statue prophecies, these ones about jesus stick in my mind and give me "hmmm, maybe" moments..

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  OnTheWayOut...

  If the OT prophets hadn't said "the people have seen a great light" (speaking of the future) then I couldn't have quoted it as being fulfulled by you simply commenting about Jesus. The future that they spoke of has arrived and here you are talking about that light.

  If the OT prophets hadn't said "the Servant will cause the gentiles to come to God" (speaking of the future) then I couldn't quote it as being fulfilled either but the fact that millions of gentiles have come to that God prove its fulfillment.

  These aren't prophecies that were obvious at the time. Given the history of the israelites it's incredible that theirs survived as a distict culture up until Jesus' time let alone producing a Son that caused non-israelites to magnify their God. An improvement to the first phone was obvious, these prophecies being fulfilled was not obvious.

  Greek and roman culture and their gods had far more to offer the gentiles at the time than Jesus seemed to. A hedonistic society isn't interested in eternal spiritual advantage, they're interested in pleasure now, not promises and persecution. No, it wasn't just a fluke that those prophecies were fulfilled...and they were fulfilled.

  I wasn't talking about just any people knowing about the OT. I was talking about you but I can certainly include most of the western world. If Jesus hadn't been sent, the NT writers wouldn't have written about Him, the gentiles wouldn't have any reason to seek out the God the OT writers were talking about. The message of Jesus wouldn't have gone out over the world, you wouldn't have been a JW. The religious jews still don't proselytize, they're still exclusive, and people still aren't attracted to their God, per se. (People are attracted to the greco-roman version of Jesus...the one that has lost His jewishness). There is no reason to believe you or anyone else who is a not a jew would take a personal interest in finding out about the OT or the God it speaks of if it wasn't for the Servant that God sent. (Isaiah 52:13-15).
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  Jesus fulfilling old testament prophecies like his legs not being broken

  by Isambard Crater in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  what are everyone's thoughts on this, how his legs weren't broken, he was pierced with a spear and he wore a thorny crown?.

  i'm pimo and very much not wanting to believe, but like the daniel statue prophecies, these ones about jesus stick in my mind and give me "hmmm, maybe" moments..

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  OnTheWayOut...

  The subject you mentioned wasn't isis or thor or any number of other gods though, was it? My response to you was specific to the person YOU alluded to. That you want to deflect(spin around) my assertion instead of finding merit in the truth of it says more about your closed mind than you're likely to admit.

  Besides which. It takes an open mind to believe something fantastical and a closed mind to reject the same thing. Hello?!
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  Jesus fulfilling old testament prophecies like his legs not being broken

  by Isambard Crater in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  what are everyone's thoughts on this, how his legs weren't broken, he was pierced with a spear and he wore a thorny crown?.

  i'm pimo and very much not wanting to believe, but like the daniel statue prophecies, these ones about jesus stick in my mind and give me "hmmm, maybe" moments..

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  myelaine

  dear cofty...

  As long as we're talking about bible themes (which this OP is: prophesy leading to belief) sin has to be part of the conversation because it is the main theme of the bible. Whether you or I believe there is such a thing isn't really tangential to the discussion, is it?
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  Jesus fulfilling old testament prophecies like his legs not being broken

  by Isambard Crater in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  what are everyone's thoughts on this, how his legs weren't broken, he was pierced with a spear and he wore a thorny crown?.

  i'm pimo and very much not wanting to believe, but like the daniel statue prophecies, these ones about jesus stick in my mind and give me "hmmm, maybe" moments..

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  myelaine

  You're still not dealing with the MAIN THEME of the entire bible. Sin and transgression of God's law. The bible does contrast light and darkness but it is ALWAYS in relation to sin...not the death and birth cycles of aeons. It just isn't. Jesus isn't a name that was attahed to ANE myths either, again...His mission was redemption and the theme He stck with was personal sin. The gods of the ANE myths weren't concerned about personal or corporate sin, AT ALL.

  When paul was on mars hill he didn't take the opportunity to tell his listeners that all these other statues are really the God he was preaching. No, he told them about the unknown (to them) God who was not those other gods. His listeners were intrigued by what he was saying...this "new" revelation.
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  Jesus fulfilling old testament prophecies like his legs not being broken

  by Isambard Crater in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  what are everyone's thoughts on this, how his legs weren't broken, he was pierced with a spear and he wore a thorny crown?.

  i'm pimo and very much not wanting to believe, but like the daniel statue prophecies, these ones about jesus stick in my mind and give me "hmmm, maybe" moments..

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  myelaine

  dear Hanged Man...

  So, basicly you're appropriating the name Jesus and just attaching it to your principal. Why? Do you think it might validate your principal in some way or perhaps invalidate the biblical precepts? Why attach the name Jesus (specifically) to your principal? Is there some reason why your principal couldn't stand on its own merits?

  According to the bible, moses and Jesus had addressed the problem of transgression/sin as their MAIN theme. Why would the bible give so much ink to this problem and its resolution if, as you say, the bible is really talking about birth and death cycles?

  Assuming moses and Jesus and all the bible writers were learned enough to write a book like the bible, don't you think they would have come right out and said the things you suggest they were saying?

  What would be the point? Anyone can see that things are born and things die. The earth and all that is in it are part of a cycle. The thing is, there is no point in stating the obvious. The bible is a revelation of things that aren't obvious. It actually even says that in a few places...

  I mean really, you believe the bible writers concealed the obvious in a mystery for future generations (which was also stated as a command-teach your children this stuff). That doesn't seem at all odd to you? Or condesending to human intellect?
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  Jesus fulfilling old testament prophecies like his legs not being broken

  by Isambard Crater in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  what are everyone's thoughts on this, how his legs weren't broken, he was pierced with a spear and he wore a thorny crown?.

  i'm pimo and very much not wanting to believe, but like the daniel statue prophecies, these ones about jesus stick in my mind and give me "hmmm, maybe" moments..

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  dear Hanged Man...

  Death was a symptom. The bible says the problem that Jesus came to address was sin. "Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!".How does your "principal of light and truth" address the cause or does it? Keeping in mind that in the bible, sin is not some vague notion but specifically transgression of the law/instructions of God. 1 john 3:4. We are told even in the very beginning A & E had one law/instruction to obey and they transgressed/sinned and brought death to mankind. If your principal doesn't address the cause it's nothing like Jesus and it certainly isn't the real Jesus.