Posts by myelaine

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God and the Concept of Time

by ezekiel3 in

put your waders on, we?re going in the deep end?.

jw premise: god created jesus, and then together they created everything else.. fact: time and space require at least two points to exist.

you cannot reference time or space with only one thing.. so before god created jesus, there was no way to measure time.

myelaine

He determines the future by the nature of the things he makes

Terry,

A truer statement was never made. With the gift of freewill, that God gave us, it was our nature to find evil. Because we have found evil and found a purpose for it. God has determined that His creation will not kill themselves with it. He has determined to save us from ourselves.

Just to note...God's intervention does not void our free will, The Bible states that there is a place reserved for those that don't choose God. In that place they are free to continue in their ways apart from those that chose God.

michelle

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God and the Concept of Time

by ezekiel3 in

put your waders on, we?re going in the deep end?.

jw premise: god created jesus, and then together they created everything else.. fact: time and space require at least two points to exist.

you cannot reference time or space with only one thing.. so before god created jesus, there was no way to measure time.

myelaine

apologies for hi-jacking this post, but my arguements have everything to do with God's TIME with us.

michelle

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God and the Concept of Time

by ezekiel3 in

put your waders on, we?re going in the deep end?.

jw premise: god created jesus, and then together they created everything else.. fact: time and space require at least two points to exist.

you cannot reference time or space with only one thing.. so before god created jesus, there was no way to measure time.

myelaine

ezekiel3,

Now that I'm all growed up (just a nod to the grammer police), I get into a car I choose, and choose which direction to drive in. I choose what speed to drive. I choose the route to get there. I choose whether or not I will obey the posted speed limits. I also accept the consequences of my choices.

Did someone put a gun to your head and tell you to drive?My guess is no. You had the choice to walk or drive, you made the choice to drive. Why?

I drive because it is a privilege that I had the right to choose.

michelle

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Freedom to Choose God

by UnDisfellowshipped in

come to the wedding.

' for i say to you that god is able to raise up children to abraham from these stones.

myelaine

"for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die." Deputy Dog, Exactly. God gave us free will and had foreknowledge that A & E would eat of the fruit. He didn't have to create the evil, He didn't have to make A & E know it, A & E chose it. It is interesting to note that this evil that was introduced to A& E came from another created being that was also given free will, and his end is the most clearly explained in the scriptures. michelle Rev 20:10 And the Devil, who deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

774

Freedom to Choose God

by UnDisfellowshipped in

come to the wedding.

' for i say to you that god is able to raise up children to abraham from these stones.

myelaine

and I would say again...

God gave us free will forever NOT a free ride forever.

He wants fellowship with His creation in paradise. That is why He created us, we were created fit for purpose. Evil was introduced, we choose our purpose, fellowship or not. God has a perfect place for fellowship with His children in paradise. Will you chose to be with Him.

michelle

774

Freedom to Choose God

by UnDisfellowshipped in

come to the wedding.

' for i say to you that god is able to raise up children to abraham from these stones.

myelaine

Little Toe,

I inferred that your two-tier system was comprised of people that chose God and His ways and people that chose to be their own lord.

In which case it would still not be true that God set up this system but that He allowed it because of mans choice.

I like you.

michelle

p.s. because God is impartial He could not have set up a system in which He had ultimate choice of who the have and have nots would be.

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God and the Concept of Time

by ezekiel3 in

put your waders on, we?re going in the deep end?.

jw premise: god created jesus, and then together they created everything else.. fact: time and space require at least two points to exist.

you cannot reference time or space with only one thing.. so before god created jesus, there was no way to measure time.

myelaine

ezekiel3,

yes i believe that mankind could and would destroy themselves if God didn't stop the ultimate destruction. Why do I believe this? There are "good" people and there are "bad" people. We don't know like God knows and therefore we could be called fools compared to God. LETHAL WEAPONS IN THE HANDS OF FOOLS. I would say the outcome can be predetermined. And the end of the earth as we know it is predestined, blah, blah, blah, Who or what will stop the inevitable? MAN? No we are failing, things are getting worst while we are just becoming aware of the problems.

I was trying to pin down a "time" when man started measuring time. Obviously God and man "mark" time differently. We are a blip and God is eternal.

I don't think I betray free will. It is my choice to follow God in the first place, my choice to read the Bible, my choice to want to find knowledge and understanding in the Bible and my choice to continue in the wisdom that I have found with God. It would be my choice if I decided to scrap all my "education" this minute and go and kill someone. But free will led me to the Bible and a relationship with God and I am at this time free to continue in the path I have chosen.

Eze 3:17-21

You have free will to choose a different purpose, you also know the consequences of that choice, death. So I would say..If you enjoyed your purpose, saw that it was most excellent regardless of adversity, why would you want to turn. Reason would suggset that not only would you remain but you would want to share. Help others to find and maintain their purpose. Why would you do this? Out of love, not force. And If you say that knowing that death is the consequences takes away your free will I will show you that there have been people throughout time that didn't let a little thing like death force them to serve God.

I would say it comes down to this:

God gave us free will forever NOT a free ride forever.

He wants fellowship with His creation in paradise. That is why He created us, we were created fit for purpose. Evil was introduced, we choose our purpose, fellowship or not. God has a perfect place for fellowship with His children in paradise. Will you chose to be with Him.

michelle

I am enjoying our discussion I hope I can devote as much time to it as is needed.

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God and the Concept of Time

by ezekiel3 in

put your waders on, we?re going in the deep end?.

jw premise: god created jesus, and then together they created everything else.. fact: time and space require at least two points to exist.

you cannot reference time or space with only one thing.. so before god created jesus, there was no way to measure time.

myelaine

dear Panda,

How many years before the invention of the watch, do you think they started calculating time by the same sun, moon and stars that have been there since the beginning?

774

Freedom to Choose God

by UnDisfellowshipped in

come to the wedding.

' for i say to you that god is able to raise up children to abraham from these stones.

myelaine

Dear Brad,

I quote scripture because I have used the christian Bible to get to know God. A God or entity that promotes love of others over self in any language, faith, or colour is a breath of fresh air. I don't know if entity is the right word to use. I want to distinguish between all knowing, all good and not. An entity or religion that does not promote God or a spiritual awakening or even reawakening to God would not be from God in my opinion, but at the same time this is giving man a lot of leeway to seek out God.

michelle

p.s. I agree with you that christianity, the religion, has glorified itself. God mentioned he had a problem with that in the Bible.

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God and the Concept of Time

by ezekiel3 in

put your waders on, we?re going in the deep end?.

jw premise: god created jesus, and then together they created everything else.. fact: time and space require at least two points to exist.

you cannot reference time or space with only one thing.. so before god created jesus, there was no way to measure time.

myelaine

do you think that God lacked the power or didn?t want to create creatures with true free choice

listen to yourself.... If I have concluded for my satisfaction that man has set the time machine(for us) where does that preclude free choice? God gave man free choice, this is what we have done. God foresaw what and where man's free choice got him and had the power and foreknowledge to do something about it. Without His intervention, according to his Wisdom, mankind could and would destroy themselves. Can the world powers accomplish this now?

Tell me what you understand about disposition, predestination, predetermination, election, and ordination.

michelle

God created man and therefore He initiated time but we set it in motion for us the moment God created us. In the Bible we even get a glimpse of what it was like before there was our time!