Posts by myelaine

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Jesus fulfilling old testament prophecies like his legs not being broken

by Isambard Crater in

what are everyone's thoughts on this, how his legs weren't broken, he was pierced with a spear and he wore a thorny crown?.

i'm pimo and very much not wanting to believe, but like the daniel statue prophecies, these ones about jesus stick in my mind and give me "hmmm, maybe" moments..

myelaine

You have a distinct lack of reading comprehension.

You have a nice evening too.

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Jesus fulfilling old testament prophecies like his legs not being broken

by Isambard Crater in

what are everyone's thoughts on this, how his legs weren't broken, he was pierced with a spear and he wore a thorny crown?.

i'm pimo and very much not wanting to believe, but like the daniel statue prophecies, these ones about jesus stick in my mind and give me "hmmm, maybe" moments..

myelaine

So, the fact that the OT is and has been considered by most people (with an opinion) to have sprung from the hebrew ethos IS something you'd argue?

AND, the fact that the NT is and has been considered by most people (with an opinion) to have sprung from the christian ethos is something you'd argue?

The floor is open to you. Please move forward with your argument against those claims.

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Jesus fulfilling old testament prophecies like his legs not being broken

by Isambard Crater in

what are everyone's thoughts on this, how his legs weren't broken, he was pierced with a spear and he wore a thorny crown?.

i'm pimo and very much not wanting to believe, but like the daniel statue prophecies, these ones about jesus stick in my mind and give me "hmmm, maybe" moments..

myelaine

dear OnTheWayOut...

The bible is inarguably considered to be the holy text of christians and jews. It's not the holy text of any other religions.

I'm not arguing the fact that some people lift certain elements of the text to supplement their own "texts". Clearly mohammad did, the bahais did it, Hanged Man did it, it happens. At this point, I'm wondering why you think I shouldn't be giving priority to the theology that is obviously contained in the text. That being, jewish and christian?

Thank you. I am aware that there are CERTAIN scriptures that are controversial as to who they are referencing, within both the jewish and christian theologies. I'm the one that drew attention to the fact that there is that to consider as far as the prophecy of isaiah 53 is concerned. Not every OT text is contriversial, however, the two portions I cited are considered (by both jews and christians) to be referring to A messianic figure. There is no dispute there. The christians believe that messianic figure to be Jesus. The jews believe that it was not Jesus but someone else who has YET to be revealed. Again, there is NO controversy as to the fact that the text is talking about an individual messianic figure. There is no controversy as to what those 2 portions in isaiah I cited mean...as far as the messianic figure being a light (someone who illuminates the masses) and as far as the messianic figure causing the gentiles/nations to turn to the God of the OT. To my knowledge both jews and christians believe it is only ONE messianic figure that will accomplish these two tasks.

My argument is for the fact that both of those tasks were indeed accomplished by Jesus almost 2000 years ago. The prophecy has been fulfilled in Jesus even if the jews don't accept it.

If you're at all interested in knowing why the jews don't accept it, I can tell you but it has to be understood I'm not preaching to you, just laying down the facts from a biblical perspective.

Anyway...my reason for believing the 2 portions of scripture I cited can only point to Jesus is simple and logical. He was the first to cross the finish line according to those established rules. (Isaiah 9:1-2; isaiah 52:13-15)

love michelle

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My 71st Birthday Confessional

by TerryWalstrom in

jw
friends

i was born january 15, 1947in mt.

carmel hospital, detroit, michigan.. within six months of my birth, my mother would bundle her baby boy into a blanket and board an american airlines propeller-driven plane--in effect, leaving my father behind--to return to her hometown, ft. worth, texas.. my dad had an excellent job working for cadillac as an inspector.

it was a union job.

myelaine

Happy Birthday Terry!

xo

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Jesus fulfilling old testament prophecies like his legs not being broken

by Isambard Crater in

what are everyone's thoughts on this, how his legs weren't broken, he was pierced with a spear and he wore a thorny crown?.

i'm pimo and very much not wanting to believe, but like the daniel statue prophecies, these ones about jesus stick in my mind and give me "hmmm, maybe" moments..

myelaine

OnTheWayOut...

Duck and run...Classic.

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Jesus fulfilling old testament prophecies like his legs not being broken

by Isambard Crater in

what are everyone's thoughts on this, how his legs weren't broken, he was pierced with a spear and he wore a thorny crown?.

i'm pimo and very much not wanting to believe, but like the daniel statue prophecies, these ones about jesus stick in my mind and give me "hmmm, maybe" moments..

myelaine

Yes, Vander...

I didn't reference that scripture intentionally. That scripture is regarded by christians as speaking about Jesus but by jews as speaking about the israelites. In other words, it's referrant and therefore truthfulness is in the eye of the beholder. The two scriptures I referenced in my argument are believed to be Messianic by both christians and jews, there is no added controversy I had to cut through before I unpackaged the statements themselves for unbelievers.

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Jesus fulfilling old testament prophecies like his legs not being broken

by Isambard Crater in

what are everyone's thoughts on this, how his legs weren't broken, he was pierced with a spear and he wore a thorny crown?.

i'm pimo and very much not wanting to believe, but like the daniel statue prophecies, these ones about jesus stick in my mind and give me "hmmm, maybe" moments..

myelaine

OnTheWayOut...

Let me put it to you this way...

Do you deny that jerusalem society was greatly and irreversibly impacted by a noteable person of jewish descent in the 1st century? (A luminary, so to speak)

Do you deny that it is that same person who was essentially responsible for gentile interest or belief in the God of the OT?

I'm not asking you to let your mind wander into territory where you have to see things through the eye of faith or see things in a "spiritual" sense. The only way to regard those 2 prophecies I mentioned as unfulfilled is to deny reality.

The specific prophecy about none of Jesus' bones being broken is a different matter, that prophecy being fulfilled is taken on faith. There is no concrete way of "measuring" the statement that they weren't broken, at this time.

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Jesus fulfilling old testament prophecies like his legs not being broken

by Isambard Crater in

what are everyone's thoughts on this, how his legs weren't broken, he was pierced with a spear and he wore a thorny crown?.

i'm pimo and very much not wanting to believe, but like the daniel statue prophecies, these ones about jesus stick in my mind and give me "hmmm, maybe" moments..

myelaine

OnTheWayOut...

If the OT prophets hadn't said "the people have seen a great light" (speaking of the future) then I couldn't have quoted it as being fulfulled by you simply commenting about Jesus. The future that they spoke of has arrived and here you are talking about that light.

If the OT prophets hadn't said "the Servant will cause the gentiles to come to God" (speaking of the future) then I couldn't quote it as being fulfilled either but the fact that millions of gentiles have come to that God prove its fulfillment.

These aren't prophecies that were obvious at the time. Given the history of the israelites it's incredible that theirs survived as a distict culture up until Jesus' time let alone producing a Son that caused non-israelites to magnify their God. An improvement to the first phone was obvious, these prophecies being fulfilled was not obvious.

Greek and roman culture and their gods had far more to offer the gentiles at the time than Jesus seemed to. A hedonistic society isn't interested in eternal spiritual advantage, they're interested in pleasure now, not promises and persecution. No, it wasn't just a fluke that those prophecies were fulfilled...and they were fulfilled.

I wasn't talking about just any people knowing about the OT. I was talking about you but I can certainly include most of the western world. If Jesus hadn't been sent, the NT writers wouldn't have written about Him, the gentiles wouldn't have any reason to seek out the God the OT writers were talking about. The message of Jesus wouldn't have gone out over the world, you wouldn't have been a JW. The religious jews still don't proselytize, they're still exclusive, and people still aren't attracted to their God, per se. (People are attracted to the greco-roman version of Jesus...the one that has lost His jewishness). There is no reason to believe you or anyone else who is a not a jew would take a personal interest in finding out about the OT or the God it speaks of if it wasn't for the Servant that God sent. (Isaiah 52:13-15).

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Jesus fulfilling old testament prophecies like his legs not being broken

by Isambard Crater in

what are everyone's thoughts on this, how his legs weren't broken, he was pierced with a spear and he wore a thorny crown?.

i'm pimo and very much not wanting to believe, but like the daniel statue prophecies, these ones about jesus stick in my mind and give me "hmmm, maybe" moments..

myelaine

OnTheWayOut...

The subject you mentioned wasn't isis or thor or any number of other gods though, was it? My response to you was specific to the person YOU alluded to. That you want to deflect(spin around) my assertion instead of finding merit in the truth of it says more about your closed mind than you're likely to admit.

Besides which. It takes an open mind to believe something fantastical and a closed mind to reject the same thing. Hello?!

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Jesus fulfilling old testament prophecies like his legs not being broken

by Isambard Crater in

what are everyone's thoughts on this, how his legs weren't broken, he was pierced with a spear and he wore a thorny crown?.

i'm pimo and very much not wanting to believe, but like the daniel statue prophecies, these ones about jesus stick in my mind and give me "hmmm, maybe" moments..

myelaine

dear cofty...

As long as we're talking about bible themes (which this OP is: prophesy leading to belief) sin has to be part of the conversation because it is the main theme of the bible. Whether you or I believe there is such a thing isn't really tangential to the discussion, is it?