it has been 2 and a half years since my departure from the religion.
i was told by my parents from the start that i would never speak to them until i returned to jehovah dog.
a few months later they told people they hoped i died before the end came, then all of this culminating in them telling my inactive / fading sister that they don't consider me a child anymore and they have given me up to satan.
My response is showing that you hit a nerve.. So what. Your response demonstrates the same, and although you are an amateur psychologist you have no reason to think you are qualified to give any form of help in the area.
I I have degree as well... So what. If having a degree in computer science qualifies me to perform a heart surgery because I like to do a little study in the side look out.
what is so cute about your response is stating it appears you hit a nerve as if that is an accomplishment
it has been 2 and a half years since my departure from the religion.
i was told by my parents from the start that i would never speak to them until i returned to jehovah dog.
a few months later they told people they hoped i died before the end came, then all of this culminating in them telling my inactive / fading sister that they don't consider me a child anymore and they have given me up to satan.
it has been 2 and a half years since my departure from the religion.
i was told by my parents from the start that i would never speak to them until i returned to jehovah dog.
a few months later they told people they hoped i died before the end came, then all of this culminating in them telling my inactive / fading sister that they don't consider me a child anymore and they have given me up to satan.
Oubliette, you stated yourself in your own thread
"I gotta' tell you, maybe I've been more fortunate than others, but pretty much THE ONLY ONGOING ABUSE OF POWER I'VE EVER HAD TO DEAL WITH IN MY ENTIRE LIVE HAS BEEN FROM THE WTBTS!
I trusted these fuckers and they lied to me, to all of us. How hypocritical of them to write offensive words like this when they themselves are guilty of the atrocities which they denounce?
The leadership of the WTBTS should be held accountable for their crimes against countless millions of people."
1. You called them fuckers
2. You have never received any abuse of power in your life except them yet you have such harsh words for them. Just as harsh as mine if not worse. I never called my mother a fucker. SO you are still holding that pain and using such vulgar language against them. After all they are the only people who abused you.
You are acting as if you have a psychology degree and you know what makes a person good or bad ready and not ready. Maybe you need to realize you are in no place neither are you qualified to state who is.
it has been 2 and a half years since my departure from the religion.
i was told by my parents from the start that i would never speak to them until i returned to jehovah dog.
a few months later they told people they hoped i died before the end came, then all of this culminating in them telling my inactive / fading sister that they don't consider me a child anymore and they have given me up to satan.
So you want me to see beyond the years of physical and emotional abuse of me... My sister... And my children to help her leave so she can continue to emotional abuse my family?
i think you should tell Candace conti to forgive her abuser as well and see if they can be buddy buddy as well.
it has been 2 and a half years since my departure from the religion.
i was told by my parents from the start that i would never speak to them until i returned to jehovah dog.
a few months later they told people they hoped i died before the end came, then all of this culminating in them telling my inactive / fading sister that they don't consider me a child anymore and they have given me up to satan.
My sister told me she went to the convention. That afterward she stopped there and pretty much told her the same crap. The only difference is that she said since she is only inactive she has a chance
She has never had alcohol a day in her life exceeeeept at my wedding.
it has been 2 and a half years since my departure from the religion.
i was told by my parents from the start that i would never speak to them until i returned to jehovah dog.
a few months later they told people they hoped i died before the end came, then all of this culminating in them telling my inactive / fading sister that they don't consider me a child anymore and they have given me up to satan.
Thank you Village Idiot.
I really didn't want to dredge this back up. But take a moment to read this letter and you will easily see why keeping this woman in my life is of no importance and a detriment.
******,
At this point I am not even to open this letter with a generic greeting because I do not know what to say to you. Dear or Love are not words that I can use to describe you any longer. I always knew as a young child something was different about you and your sister. You never demonstrated the love for our creator that ******** did. I recognized this early on, and tried my very best to do everything I could to inculcate in the two of you what our GRAND creator JEHOVAH required of us, but it was to no avail.
I use to blame myself, but as the bible clearly states even Jehovah lost many children to arrogance and greed, therefore I was assured that it was not me, but you. In the same vain that Jehovah saw fit to cast Satan down – out of his heavenly home and out of his love I have resolved in my heart to do the same. I have begged Jehovah to remove the motherly love I have for you from my heart. This includes you, and your family. This is the only way you will learn that you need to come back into the protective fold that Jehovah offers by means of his organization. This is a lesson that you will need to learn the hard way.
On Saturday, ******** (my daughter) called. She began to rattle off all of the things that are important to her. The movies she is making, the sports she is involved in etc etc etc. She seemed so happy until I reminded her that the course she is on is one that Jehovah haters and that if she keeps this up she will no longer be in the new system. I was hoping this would touch her little heart, instead she told me that what I was saying was not true and just a story from the bible and she didn't believe that. What have you done to this young child ******? In the same way that Jehovah destroyed the children of those apostate nations, he will do the same in the future. Where does that leave her. (Just so you know she actually told her grand-child this.)
***** will suffer that same fate. How can you as a loving parent cast your children to Satan's side and allow them to pass away with this old system. I thought your father and I raised you better. However, this is what pride will do to someone. Your pride is the reason that you have taken the attitude of Satan, if you keep on this path you will end up the same way. The Watchtower taught us that in the new system he will wipe away every memory of those we lose to this wicked world. It is a shame that this will happen to you and your entire family if you do not humble yourself.
I am only writing you this because I feel obligated to warn you. Now that you have moved out to your little castle far away from everyone and everything you knew, you feel as if it can be your sanctuary. Instead it will be your coffin and others will have it after the great and fear-inspiring day of our GOD JEHOVAH. I hope these are things you have thought about.
*****
it has been 2 and a half years since my departure from the religion.
i was told by my parents from the start that i would never speak to them until i returned to jehovah dog.
a few months later they told people they hoped i died before the end came, then all of this culminating in them telling my inactive / fading sister that they don't consider me a child anymore and they have given me up to satan.
I am glad you have an opinion Oub, but that is your opinion. I am sure you are coming from a good place but my should is fine. The zen idea of forgiving blah blah blah is nice but there is a point where those good words mean nothing. I no longer feel sorry for her, I no longer feel sorry for them.
Why not tell everyone to apply those same words to the GB etc... would you encourage everyone here to keep all these nice sayings for Jaracz and Franz etc... I think not.
Birthing someone does not mean that the person you birthed owes you.
I will not respond happily to anyone who has:
Told my daughter to her face she is going to die because she doesn't love Jehovah.
Told my son the same.
Told lies that I cheated on my wife
Told lies that I had been doing so for years
Beat me mercilessly as a kid every other day with an extension cord.
Beat my sister to the point she still has scars as an adult.
Told people she has disowned me
Told people I am better off dead
You go right ahead and keep loving that type of person if you want. SHE destroyed my soul... I have been able to rebuild it every day that there is a separation. Save those lovely words for someone who has been through far less with such a wicked person.
Fading unfortunately would not have set the proper example for my children. Fading would have kept these toxic people in my life. The drama was there for all the years prior. WHywould I continue to want to speak with persons who have done these things. No Thanks
it has been 2 and a half years since my departure from the religion.
i was told by my parents from the start that i would never speak to them until i returned to jehovah dog.
a few months later they told people they hoped i died before the end came, then all of this culminating in them telling my inactive / fading sister that they don't consider me a child anymore and they have given me up to satan.
I am glad to not have them around anymore at this point. They are toxic, the religion is toxic and everything linked to it is toxic. After being gone for 6 months I realized that I would probably have no more of a link to them so it doesn't hurt. I hear reports of them from my sister of how bad they are doing, and their health is failing but I really have no reason to be concerned at this point.
If as an adult you can keep up this kind of behavior and tell your kids they are better off dead and that there grand kids mean nothing to them since they no longer serve jehovah, then I really can not feel sorry for anything that happens.
going - yes it is sad, but again when I saw what this cult was going to do to my kids that is when I made the steps to step-down and leave. I could not in good faith do this to my kids. SO if I can take those steps so can they, they are just scared and that is for them to deal with. The worst part about my female parental unit is that she made up all sorts of rumors about me. YES my own mother. She started telling people that I cheated on her. It was an attempt to get my wife angered with me and alienate me too. Disgusting
Island Man - I may give that a go the next time, if there is one LOL
it has been 2 and a half years since my departure from the religion.
i was told by my parents from the start that i would never speak to them until i returned to jehovah dog.
a few months later they told people they hoped i died before the end came, then all of this culminating in them telling my inactive / fading sister that they don't consider me a child anymore and they have given me up to satan.
It has been 2 and a half years since my departure from the religion. I was told by my parents from the start that I would never speak to them until I returned to jehovah dog. A few months later they told people they hoped I died before the end came, then all of this culminating in them telling my inactive / fading sister that they don't consider me a child anymore and they have given me up to Satan.
I was hoping to never hear from them again, especially after they refuse to speak to their grandkids at all and a whole medley of other things. ANYWAY I get a call from a number I do not recognize about 30 minutes ago. I pick up and say, "HELLO". I hear a womans voice that I recognize as being my mothers with a lot of commotion in the background. This person proceeds to tell me, "Either you are for Jehovah... or you are against me and your father and everyone who truly loves you." I could not believe this person has the balls to say this to me. I hung up the phone and went back to watching my son chase the dog. I immediately get another call and she proceeds to tell me how rude I am and that it is apparent from my blatant disrespect that I have forgotten all of the commandments about respecting ones aged parents etc... in just a few short years.
She continues to rail against me about how she asked jehovah to remove me from her heart and that he has replace me with many new "spiritual children" and that she knows that I miss her and my father. She says others have their affection and that if I want to return to jehovah she will be waiting... until then she wanted to let me know that she would not speak to me or my family again unless we return like "obedient sheep" to jehovah.
I had the feeling that others were there cheering her on, or somehow offering support because I actually heard people in the background... someone telling her to stay strong. She proceeds to tell me that because I am doing well financially I feel i no longer need Jehovah, but it didn't matter because Satan would take everything away from me ;as quickly as it was given. She asked me to promise her that I would think about what she said. I told her the following, "I promise that just before you die in the next 10 years or so if the doctors will allow it I will cryogenically freeze ONLY your head and I will have them make you every one hundred years. I will make sure that every new generation of our family visits you on that day and laughs in your face as you realize that you are still waiting on jehovah to bring about this paradise that you are waiting, but will never come. I will have each person point and laugh at you for a few minutes then when you begin to cry I will have them freeze you again and make sure in the next hundred years the same thing happens.
Yes that was evil, but I just do not really care anymore. These people are completely batshit crazy and the longer people cater to them and make them feel as if their feelings matter the worse they become
my amazing wife surprised me and bought tickets for us to hear richard dawkins tonight!
he is giving a lecture with someone and then they are having a q&a session.
anyone have any suggestions for questions i could ask?
