Posts by paulmolark

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After 2 years my parents make contact. The end result is that I promise them to cryogenically preserve ONLY their heads

by paulmolark in

it has been 2 and a half years since my departure from the religion.

i was told by my parents from the start that i would never speak to them until i returned to jehovah dog.

a few months later they told people they hoped i died before the end came, then all of this culminating in them telling my inactive / fading sister that they don't consider me a child anymore and they have given me up to satan.

paulmolark

Your mean spirited comments about me were very unkind and hurtful. But I guess that is just who you are as well.

It took one click for me to see your posts that were just as bad

1. Sometimes I feel a little cheated that there isn't such a god, for he surely would severely punish the likes of the self-appointed "Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses" for their many lies, hypocrisies and errors.

2. Furrowing my brow, I said, "That's an odd question!" which threw him off a bit. Pausing just long enough for the full-effect to sink in, but not long enough for him to actually respond, I quickly continued, "I bet my meeting attendance it better than yours! I can honestly say, 'I have not missed a single meeting in over a year!' Can you say that?"

- Although you were being witty you tried to avoid telling the full truth on the matter. You are a deceitful person afraid to tell people who you are and what you are really about.

3. She said, "Are you saying we don't need to go to the meetings?"

Now, not wanting to be branded an apostate, I hedged. "No I did NOT say that.

Deceit again

4. What I hate/detest/deplore and find incredibly annoying is when posters:

Cut & Paste an entire article without any editing or commentary!

Seriously!

What's the point?

It's just lazy.

More arrogance on your part as if people have to cater too and listen to whatever you say and enjoy it.

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So on the first click of your posts you also WISH THERE WAS A GOD, not so you could get to know him and benefit from it or grasp the many wonders of the world... instead you feel cheated her doesn't exist so he could make the GB pay. Men that you followed out of your own free will.

You were purposely deceitful to people you know because you are afraid of being your genuine self in front of them

You also condemn your "TRIBE MATES" because of their personal choices. How about you let go of your self-importance and learn that when you criticize people or offer your opinion someone else might come back with ones that you do not like.

Also remember that before you blame someone for being so scared that they can't move on make sure you have not made a point similar.

The audacity to condemn me when you foolishly state you feel cheated there is no GOD because you wish physical harm on men that you as a grown man chose to follow.

Pot meet Kettle

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After 2 years my parents make contact. The end result is that I promise them to cryogenically preserve ONLY their heads

by paulmolark in

it has been 2 and a half years since my departure from the religion.

i was told by my parents from the start that i would never speak to them until i returned to jehovah dog.

a few months later they told people they hoped i died before the end came, then all of this culminating in them telling my inactive / fading sister that they don't consider me a child anymore and they have given me up to satan.

paulmolark

"Obviously you feel how you feel and dont want any opinions unless they support the view you already hold,so I will bow out."

Seems like that is your goal as well.

There were others that offered suggestions. I accepted them. Just not his. Why that angers YOU i don't know.

I will bow out as well.

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After 2 years my parents make contact. The end result is that I promise them to cryogenically preserve ONLY their heads

by paulmolark in

it has been 2 and a half years since my departure from the religion.

i was told by my parents from the start that i would never speak to them until i returned to jehovah dog.

a few months later they told people they hoped i died before the end came, then all of this culminating in them telling my inactive / fading sister that they don't consider me a child anymore and they have given me up to satan.

paulmolark

"And I would never highlight their biggest heartbreak to make any point -deserved or not.

Then why not direct this so him as well. As stated telling an abused person they are just like their abuser kind falls into that same category. So you might want to direct this point toward him as well.

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After 2 years my parents make contact. The end result is that I promise them to cryogenically preserve ONLY their heads

by paulmolark in

it has been 2 and a half years since my departure from the religion.

i was told by my parents from the start that i would never speak to them until i returned to jehovah dog.

a few months later they told people they hoped i died before the end came, then all of this culminating in them telling my inactive / fading sister that they don't consider me a child anymore and they have given me up to satan.

paulmolark

If that is the meanest thing you have ever read here you have not been here very long. I am direct in my wording which may make it sound mean, however if you look at the things implied by others you will see there is little difference.

If you had a friend who had all the answers for your situation but there situation was worse than yours I do not think you would be so ready to follow their instructions

" The way you are now, you are just being like her." - I would think this statement could be one of the meanest things I have ever read. Telling someone who has been abused by someone for decades they are acting just like their abuser. That is pretty mean.

What I said was an observation coming from someone who wants to appear to have answers for my situation when they are in one that seems worse. Go figure

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After 2 years my parents make contact. The end result is that I promise them to cryogenically preserve ONLY their heads

by paulmolark in

it has been 2 and a half years since my departure from the religion.

i was told by my parents from the start that i would never speak to them until i returned to jehovah dog.

a few months later they told people they hoped i died before the end came, then all of this culminating in them telling my inactive / fading sister that they don't consider me a child anymore and they have given me up to satan.

paulmolark

"They hate it when the control is taken away from them, all they have left to threaten you with is God destroying you. I mean it's not even eternal damnation or anything "

Exactly. It is although have left. Take it from them and they hit rock bottom. I was happy thinking I would never hear from her again. She had to rear her ugly head...

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After 2 years my parents make contact. The end result is that I promise them to cryogenically preserve ONLY their heads

by paulmolark in

it has been 2 and a half years since my departure from the religion.

i was told by my parents from the start that i would never speak to them until i returned to jehovah dog.

a few months later they told people they hoped i died before the end came, then all of this culminating in them telling my inactive / fading sister that they don't consider me a child anymore and they have given me up to satan.

paulmolark

Flipper - They elders were aware. They made multiple visits to our home but during the 80's no one would dare say or do anything when it came to "the rod". We were the picture perfect example. My dad became an elder and at the same time was constantly drinking and having issues with her. Your assessment of him was 100% correct. He did not have the ability to stand up to her, and because of that the two kids she disliked received hell while the one she loved never did.

Her favorite line, "Go 'head and call the police... I'll beat your little narrow behind in front of them - I don't care!"

What was a child to do?

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After 2 years my parents make contact. The end result is that I promise them to cryogenically preserve ONLY their heads

by paulmolark in

it has been 2 and a half years since my departure from the religion.

i was told by my parents from the start that i would never speak to them until i returned to jehovah dog.

a few months later they told people they hoped i died before the end came, then all of this culminating in them telling my inactive / fading sister that they don't consider me a child anymore and they have given me up to satan.

paulmolark

Oubliette again you are wrong. Responding to anyone in the fashion they respond to you is not a sign of one being stuck and not moving forward. What exactly should I let go? Even your own responses to the Watchtower you called them fuckers etc... apparently you have not moved on either. I don't remember Franz calling anyone a fucker.

Ito be just like my mother I would have to torture my kids physically and mentally. I would have to defraud my children and hold them captive in this religion. Instead I freed my children minds. I got my wife out of this religion and both of my children. I am extremely successful as well as happy. However I will not pander to anyone that tries to pull me back in. I will not read Watchtower literature I will not be corrupted by that cult.

Out of your own mouth you still read watchtower literature because you have children still in the borg. Who knows if your wife is as well. If your skills in psychology are so deep and effective why not use them to break the Watchtower manipulation they have on your children. It obviously has not been working thus far for you. Here I am with my measly old computer science degree and I use nothing but logic and it saved my kids from the cult as well as my wife. We have a wonderful family life financially, physically and emotionally. I hope the same can be said of your children.

I have moved forward in ways YOU CAN NOT UNDERSTAND. I think you are speaking to me the way you are is because you WISH you had a loving wife and kids that you aided in escaping. Instead you are still working on it. There are not enough witty responses you can make to mask the fact that you are the end all be all. A catch phrase at the end of your posts does not make you some form of hero or any more insightful than anyone else.

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Mr. Flipper Thank you for the kind words and the offer! It is a shame that things have come to this but they have. I have resolved to stay away from them and plan to stick to it because the level of manipulation this woman can dish out is extreme. I am in a good place now. I have spent some time in the past with a therapist and it did truly help. There were sessions where I was encouraged to say the things that were on my mind that I wanted to say to her but I was always too afraid to say. Children that suffer abuse at the hand of an authoritative figure oftentimes will be afraid to voice what they want to say or needs to be said to the abuser. Even in a setting where she wasn't there it was nearly impossible to do. As time went on that change. Amazing that a person trained in that discipline understands that and encourages that.

Flipper - " If you ever want to chat on the phone, just PM me my friend. Hang in there, Peace out, Mr. Flipper"

If I ever ned it trust me I will do that. Right now I am in an excellent place and plan to keep moving!

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After 2 years my parents make contact. The end result is that I promise them to cryogenically preserve ONLY their heads

by paulmolark in

it has been 2 and a half years since my departure from the religion.

i was told by my parents from the start that i would never speak to them until i returned to jehovah dog.

a few months later they told people they hoped i died before the end came, then all of this culminating in them telling my inactive / fading sister that they don't consider me a child anymore and they have given me up to satan.

paulmolark

My dad was controlled by my mother. He always had self-esteem issues. He has only hit me once in my entire life and never hit my sister. There were times he tried to stop her but she literally was uncontrollable during these 5 to 10 minute beat-a-thons as me and my sister called them.

He was actually on my side through much of this but when the pressure crept in on him, he gave in. In their old age he stands up to her more and even goes so far as to try to stop her in some instances. Ultimately his backbone is in her hands.

My wife and I are doing very well. She never believed any of the foolishness. As you can imagine she has a deep level of contempt for her as well and refuses to ever let her speak to our children after that round of letters. My wife made her exit not too long after I did.

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After 2 years my parents make contact. The end result is that I promise them to cryogenically preserve ONLY their heads

by paulmolark in

it has been 2 and a half years since my departure from the religion.

i was told by my parents from the start that i would never speak to them until i returned to jehovah dog.

a few months later they told people they hoped i died before the end came, then all of this culminating in them telling my inactive / fading sister that they don't consider me a child anymore and they have given me up to satan.

paulmolark

Short version I DA'ed.

Village Idiot, no it is not to personal. After beginning a fade I decided to DA.

When I finally decided that enough was enough I follow a lot of the advice here about fading etc and began one. ZI had a part on the DC and told the C.O. that due to being over-worked and things going on in my life I could not give the part.

That sparked a visit from him. After that visit I went to the rest of the elders and told them I was going to step down for personal reasons. This sparked more visits and love-bombing for me and my wife who was now worried. I tried to assure my wife that nothing was wrong with our relationship, it was just the fact that I was doing too much. Now my wife was worried and my children as well.

Then my mother starts with letters of "encouragement" and constant phone calls. My over-zealous brother as well. Then others dropping by that wanted to share scriptures. The meetings for service were at my home and it made me sick to my stomach to know this was going on.

In a nutshell, I was lying. I detest lying and liars. I was lying to my wife, to my kids and to people that I did not owe anything to just because I didn't want to just tell the truth and follow this course of fading. I could not keep this up for weeks or months. The hardest part was that I children. My daughter who had no interest before joined the school thinking this would make me happy. I WAS DONE. I knew that this happened only because of the lies.

So that weekend I told my wife the deal. I sat down with my son and daughter and explained to them how I felt and why. I apologized for not being genuine and let my wife know that I loved her as I always had and that nothing would change on my end. She cried and for the next month became consumed with study and KH activities. My daughter came into my office and we had a long talk. I came to find out that at 10 she was far more wise than I was at that age, she already didn't believe most JW doctrine because she said it was silly and didn't make sense. She said when I said I felt the same way she was happy about it. I cried tears of happiness and then focused on my wife. My youngest son was not the least bit indoctrinated because I did not study with them. He just wanted to play and have friends.

After a number of weeks of her crying and fake love and letters and etc... etc... etc.. I told my wife I was going to put in a letter because I was tired of faking it and that I no longer wanted people coming by and writing. She wanted me to show her why I felt the way I did and why I HAD to take this step. The next few days I did just that. She wasn't in happy about it but she understood it was not about her. I sent in the letter and all the bullshit stopped. No calls, the letters began to slow down to a trickle, no more surprise visits.

We moved on with life and never looked backed. The most important part about it was the fact that my wife told me that she was proud I stood up for myself and handled things the way I did. She said had I continued on with going much longer she is not sure she would have believed me when I finally told her the truth.

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After 2 years my parents make contact. The end result is that I promise them to cryogenically preserve ONLY their heads

by paulmolark in

it has been 2 and a half years since my departure from the religion.

i was told by my parents from the start that i would never speak to them until i returned to jehovah dog.

a few months later they told people they hoped i died before the end came, then all of this culminating in them telling my inactive / fading sister that they don't consider me a child anymore and they have given me up to satan.

paulmolark

Oppose ate I wasn't talking to you that was directed at oubliette.