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GO SOUTH AFRICA

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beat mexi-hole!.

GO SOUTH AFRICA

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beat mexi-hole!.

Why do all intelligent Christians disobey Jesus?

by StoneWall in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-slagzjmdu.

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Yes, it is hard to imagine Jesus throwing Daisy into the outer darkness for missing out on J. Calvin.

The issues of Calvinism and Arminianism are not "closed hand" doctrines. In other words, they are not essential to the historic Christian faith (Jude 3). Therefore, these doctrines do not determine who is or isn't a Christian.

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Why do all intelligent Christians disobey Jesus?

by StoneWall in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-slagzjmdu.

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I am not looking for, nor do I need, your instruction. I actually was being polite by not initially laughing uproariously at your "evidence" of what Jesus meant by turning the other cheek. It was so convoluted and required such a stretch of imagination that I thought I would point out how your evidence is not evidence. Occam's Razor...most often the simplest answer is the right answer. You don't need to be a bible scholar or historical philosopher to understand what Jesus said: Turn the other cheek. So do it. If you choose to come up with a complicated workaround so that you can justify why Christians are willing to go to war and kill, go ahead. I am not the one who has to explain it to God, you do. For me I see it as hypocrisy.

As far as the verse I mentioned, I used it as an example of how the JW's get caught up in minute details to support a doctrine that they have. You are no different. You need a convoluted workaround in order to justify a view that you have, so you use convoluted logic and unreasonably complicated explanations to make it work for you. No problem. Like I said, I am not the one that has to explain it, you do.

Thank you for confirming my original issue. What you provided was an interpretation (or spin). There was no confirmation of the interpretation, it was a theory and a hopelessly blurry one at that. My original observation still stands: Christianity has core problems, especially modern Christianity, with the interpretation and obedience of Jesus' words. I think StoneWall has raised a very strong and fundamental topic. It seems to me that Christians have a really difficult time with these core issues and they would rather avoid them and think about the fluffy clouds of heaven and the personal relationship with the Lord, rather than focus on the fundamental problems of the Christian belief. It's called sticking your head in the sand. I did that for 35 years with the HoHo's. I won't waste any more time in fantasyland.

Oh, yes, the old, "I'm smarter than you are because you are a Christian, and I'm not" ploy. Seen it too many times to be impressed by it. In fact, it's really pitiful when people like you have to play it. That's fine.

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Why do all intelligent Christians disobey Jesus?

by StoneWall in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-slagzjmdu.

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Well, actually, what you presented is not evidence. Evidence would be something offered beyond a reasonable doubt and quoting scholars that lean a certain way is not evidence. It reminds me somewhat of the way the HoHo's explain "Truly I tell you today, you will be with me in paradise" vs. "Truly I tell you...today you will be with me in paradise." Nobody really knows what he said, really, now do they?

Sorry, but it appears that you have confused evidence in a criminal trial with the way history is done. You might want to read up on that as I do not have the time to instruct you. Secondly, I did not provide an appeal to authority. I provided an example that confirms the interpretation that you dismissed. You seem to think that dismissal is refutation which it isn't. Maybe you are reading too much of the four horse's asses of atheism,

Regarding the verse you mentioned no Greel scholar, liberal or conservative, that I am aware of holds the JW interpretation. You might want to look into these things before you post.

There is no whether, because he didn't write anything, at least anything that is recorded in scripture and nothing has showed up in manuscripts. It absolutely is the issue. We don't know what Jesus' thoughts were (unless it has been spelled out in scriptural accounts), why he chose certain parables, or what he meant by "turn the other cheek" (other than the literal interpretation that StoneWall pointed out

This statement does not make any sense. We have the historical and cultural context, as I have mentioned before, and that answers many of the questions that have been raised on this thread. Sadly, people like you refuse to look into them for reasons that are known only to you.

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World Cup Predictions

by XJW4EVR in

my fantasy pick to win it all is the usa.

my real pick is italy.. what say you?.

XJW4EVR

I don't foresee any scenario in which the US will beat England.

1950 World Cup. If it happened then, it can happen again.

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Why do all intelligent Christians disobey Jesus?

by StoneWall in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-slagzjmdu.

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Even though I don't agree with it, what better way could someone show their total faith and trust in Jesus than to give up all things and totally rely on him to provide them with their bread for each day etc.? That would require som eextreme faith. I can't even put faith in people I've known most of my life to catch me if they say prove your trust in me by falling backwards into my arms and I'll catch you.

If someone lives like this then they would have the gift of faith as indicated in 1 Corinthians 12:9. However, you cannot fault people who have not been given that type of faith for living in that manner. Besides, the full course of Scripture clearly teaches that believers are to support themselves. Perhaps you are grasping at these straws in order to justify your own unbelief?

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Why do all intelligent Christians disobey Jesus?

by StoneWall in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-slagzjmdu.

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Just for the record, I really enjoyed and liked that last post of yours.

Thank you. I have enjoyed this thread, it has made me think about what I believe and why I believe what I believe.

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World Cup Predictions

by XJW4EVR in

my fantasy pick to win it all is the usa.

my real pick is italy.. what say you?.

XJW4EVR

My fantasy pick to win it all is the USA. My real pick is Italy.

What say you?

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Why do all intelligent Christians disobey Jesus?

by StoneWall in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-slagzjmdu.

XJW4EVR

OK lets analyze this a moment. Would Jesus or should Jesus have two sets of scales? Should he expect this follower to do something he doesn't expect of his other followers?

The problem, with your view is that the person Jesus directed this statement to did not follow Christ. Instead this man walked away sad because he was very rich.

Just in case you don't follow what I'm getting at look at Luke 14 and read the whole chapter if you'd like so you know the setting as well to who Jesus was talking to. Then notice this verse in that chapter 14:33 "Thus, you may be sure, none of YOU that does not say good-bye to all his belongings can be my disciple." (NWT)

The fact it says none of you denotes that he was/is talking to more than an individual right? So more than one. The fact it states also none of you, does that mean everyone to you or just those back then? If it applies to only those back then, then there's two set of standards, two sets of scales so to speak.

OK, so the real question is whether this is a literal, get rid of your money commandment, or a commandment that deals with the heart. You seem to believe that this is a literal commandment. You think that Christians should be living on the dole. I really don't find that anywhere in Jesus' recorded sayings, but if that's what you want to believe you are certainly entitled to that opinion. In fact I find the opposite, especially in Paul's writings. However, it seems to me, and I hope I am wrong, that if Christians were to do what you want you (and the producers of that silly video) would pull out Paul's words in 2 Thessolonians 3:10 and 1 Timothy 5:8. Not only do we have those scriptures, but we have Philippians, which is an extended thank you letter from Paul for their monetary gift while he was in a Roman prison. Further, there is the generousity of Christians recorded in the book of Acts. It seems to me that based on the whole council of scripture Jesus' teachings regarding money was not so much about the piety of poverty, but the idolotry of money.