Posts by kwintestal

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WTS Double Standard on the Blood Issue

by undercover in

here's a few quotes from the wts website concerning blood:.

i won't bore you with the entire article; i'll just list the things that caught my eye.. http://www.watchtower.org/library/hb/index.htm.

how can blood save your life?.

kwintestal

You know my wife was talking the other day about a public talk about blood. It stated that with all the new medical advances, that it's hard to DEFINE what is actually blood once some procedure is done to it. Basically, if you take one component out of the blood...is it still blood? I guess their leaving that "up to your concience" (we're changing our policy) on this now. However she stated that the point was made at the talk NOT TO TALK ABOUT THIS WITH OTHER JW'S because you don't want to influence their decision. What a crock.

Kwin

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apostate inaccuracies

by candidlynuts in

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granted i havent been to the kh in years.

but when i did several talks dealt with how apostates lie about the wtbs, the apostates make up stuff and attribute the quotes to wtbs.

apostates all have evil intentions of taking god away from you.

kwintestal

You know Candidly, that's something I, as a JW never understood (of course now I'm out I do). But you always are taught that apostates LIE, LIE, LIE. Then you're given examples of some of these lies. Well, I consider myself to be an intelligent person. I've studied WT doctrine for 25 years. If this person is going to lie to me, well, I'll know it's a lie BECAUSE I can PROVE it is a lie from all this wonderful information that the WT gives me!

Turns out they weren't lieing. It was the other way around.

Kwin

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Covert tactics in spiritual warfare

by kwintestal in

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just wondering something.. some on here have a partner who is a jw, but aren't themselves and never have been.

the wts are always playing up on the possiblity that the "unbelieveing mate" may "see the light and study the truth".. so has anyone bit?

has anyone used that and played their game?

kwintestal

My heart's with you WP.

I've heard in the past that if someone is in a cult and their family or friends want to help them out, sometimes the family will go in, and over time bring the one in the cult to their senses. Has anyone done this with JW's? Has anyone heard of this happening?

Kwin

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Bush Vs. Jesus:Campaign Attack Ad

by CaptainSchmideo in

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kwintestal

ROFLMAO! Haven't seen something that funny in a long time. Thanks!

Kwin

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Covert tactics in spiritual warfare

by kwintestal in

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just wondering something.. some on here have a partner who is a jw, but aren't themselves and never have been.

the wts are always playing up on the possiblity that the "unbelieveing mate" may "see the light and study the truth".. so has anyone bit?

has anyone used that and played their game?

kwintestal

Just wondering something.

Some on here have a partner who is a JW, but aren't themselves and never have been.

The WTS are always playing up on the possiblity that the "unbelieveing mate" may "see the light and study the truth".

So has anyone bit? Has anyone used that and played their game? I thought that for those who were in that spot and unable to discuss objections with the "believing mate" that it would be a great way of bringing up questions that perhaps the other party didn't think of possibly raising doubts. Would the JW's refuse to study with the unbelieving mate if they previously have been opposed?

Covert tactics in spiritual warfare. Like a Kamakazee pilot. Rolling over and playing dead to fool the preditor.

So any experiences?

Kwin

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Man Gets 5 Life Sentences!

by Voyager in

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hi friends:------(from the orlando sentinel!

hello valkeria!

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kwintestal

Carrasquillo was expelled from the church and even his own mother was fearful of her son, after he told her that he had made "a pact with Satan to sacrifice human life," according to court records.

Carrasquillo said he has been diagnosed with schizophrenia and bipolar disorder and requires daily medication.

Before I make my comment, don't get me wrong, I really feel this is a tragedy. It's sad.

But how loving is it to disfellowship someone who is mentally ill? Wouldn't the loving thing be to help the person get through whatever problems they might have instead of shunning them, which will make their problems worse?

There's more to this story then shows at the surface.

Kwin

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Ozzie's Weekend Poll #116

by ozziepost in

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g'day fellow weekend posters!.

how's things for you this weekend?

strange turn of events weatherwise here downunder where last week we were "enjoying" 100 degrees fahrenheit and this weekend is now at a miserable 68!!!

kwintestal

I thought Jesus was a JW.

I thought Able was the first JW.

Not something that I had ever thought of, but yes, now I agree that it is an American religion. Europe is too left to create the JW's.

Kwin

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Kingdumb Halls...crying poor. Are they really?

by kwintestal in

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for the last 2 1/2 years of my jw experience, the kh was always saying how they had no money to pay the bills.

they started holding "dollar days" at the meetings to get donations (the idea was everyone brought a dollar a meeting on top of their normal donation).

finances reportedly got so bad that they had to decide to buy oil for the furnace, or plow the driveway one winter.

kwintestal

For the last 2 1/2 years of my JW experience, the KH was ALWAYS saying how they had no money to pay the bills. They started holding "Dollar Days" at the meetings to get donations (the idea was everyone brought a dollar a meeting on top of their normal donation).

Finances reportedly got so bad that they had to decide to buy oil for the furnace, or plow the driveway one winter. They opted for the oil and left the driveway icey.

The PO was in charge of finances, and after every report, stated the need for increased donations, mind you the donations shouldn't come from what a person normally donates to the WTS, and the KH regular donation to the society always went on time (what a fine example). He also had a countdown every report of how long left was on the mortgage..."Only 2 more years folks!"

Are all KH's this poor? How can the WTS allow a KH to get this poor that they can't even afford to plow out the driveway? Does the WTS have a policy AGAINST refinancing KH? Obviously the hall had income problems, so a reduced mortgage payment would have been an easy answer considering they owned more then 90% of the property.

Kwin

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Cost of War

by teejay in

cost of war

kwintestal

Makes me glad I live in Canada. Our PM is so cheap when it comes to military, he buys Victorian class subs from the brits that leak and burn. Fires in a sub are never good as someone in our city learned last week.

Cost of war in Iraq to Canada....$0 (well very little anyway). Truth of the matter is that Canada did provide some support to US troops in the form of one ship in the Gulf that acted as a communications ship, as well as about 30 soldiers in various tasks working with American soldiers. I think it was like a foreign exchange program of sorts.

Kwin

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the united nation scandal and all other Watchtower Society scandals

by booker-t in

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i was recently talking to a jw elder at my job that i have been working at for over 20 years(he knows that i am da'ed but still talks to me trying to get me to come back) and i brought up the un scandal and all of the wts scandals that are hitting the wts.

he said it does not surprise him that "apostates" would try and deceive many jw's with lies and 1/2 truths.

i told him that i can get a printed copy of the un ngo membership and that the wts was a member for over 10 years.

kwintestal

Here's a couple of bits off the UN website about NGOs:

What is an NGO?
A non-governmental organization (NGO) is any non-profit, voluntary citizens' group which is organized on a local, national or international level. Task-oriented and driven by people with a common interest, NGOs perform a variety of services and humanitarian functions, bring citizens' concerns to Governments, monitor policies and encourage political participation at the community level. They provide analysis and expertise, serve as early warning mechanisms and help monitor and implement international agreements. Some are organized around specific issues, such as human rights, the environment or health. Their relationship with offices and agencies of the United Nations System differs depending on their goals, their venue and their mandate

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What are the Criteria for NGOs to become associated with DPI?"
Organizations eligible for association with DPI are those which:
 Share the ideals of the UN Charter;
 Operate solely on a not-for-profit basis;
 Have a demonstrated interest in United Nations issues and proven ability to reach large or specialized audiences, such as educators, media representatives, policy makers and the business community;  Have the commitment and means to conduct effective information programmes about UN activities by publishing newsletters, bulletins, and pamphlets; organizing conferences, seminars and round tables; and enlisting the cooperation of the media

Take away everything that the WTS has said about the UN being a blasphemous counterfeit of God's Messianic Kingdom, and there's still several reasons why they shouldn't have joined. What happens if someone is involved in local politics? They're DA'd, yet the WTS were to encourage participation. Does the WTS "Share the ideals of the UN Charter"? They did for almost 10 years.

Kwin