Thanks Bryan.Yes very similar background.My dad left my mum when i was 10 & he knew that my mum would not follow him.He took me with him.I was too young too understand the implications.We went from London to Bristol U.K. to his mums place.We lived there for 2 years until we emigrated to Aust.He used me as a weapon against mum.Maybe thats why she let him die.Who knows.I am no ones judge.I just could not do that.I want to go to God with a clear conscience & say i did the best i could.If i were him i would say fair enough & he loves more than i ever could hope too.I remember going to school in Bristol & i knew no one.I used to play junior football for West Ham in London & all my mates were there.I used to not go to school & wander the streets in Bristol.Thats when i learned self sufficiency.When we came to Aust i was in high school & in a migrant camp & things were not good at home.So i wagged school for months & wandered the streets in Sydney.Then left home real soon at 15.I kept going to the meetings & i managed good.It was the car prang in my early 20s that changed me.I wasn.t a nice bloke for a long time.But hey it all worked out in the end.It always does.Time & unforseen occurence befall use all.It.s how you look at things.Baz Lurmman i think it is,said in the song "Don,t Forget Your Sunscreen" that it,s not the things we worry about that changes our lives,it,s the things that come out of the blue on an idle Tuesday afternoon.I,ve lived 50 years & seen a bit.I worked as a contract fitter for many years & worked in a maximum security prison.I,ve seen both sides of the bars.Heaps of mates,some dead, some living & Baz is pretty right.Good song.See ya matey.Email me some time as above.See ya.1.50 am Fri. here,gotta go to bed.
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by Nigel inmy name is nigel.i am 50,married with five kids,early teens to late 20,s.i live in the bush in australia.i have cruised this site for a couple of months & feel comfortable enough to talk now.those of you who were long term jw,s will understand that.only my direct family know what i am about to tell.i have never told anyone else as they would not understand.i was born a jw in the u.k. and some of my first memories are of going door to door.i was scalded when i was 4 & i remember some brothers coming to see me.my parents emigrated when i was 13 as my dad didn,t get on with the inlaws.my dad drank a bit at home at home & was violent.it was never spoken about outside of the family and at 15 i left home.i was the eldest of four.i continued to go to meetings,lived on my own & learnt a trade.at 20 i married a good jw girl as was expected & became a regular pioneer.i was a good public speaker & as far as the congregation was concerned had a bright future.i believed in what i was doing as it was what i had been taught.when i was 22 we had a baby & was witnessing one sunday morning & was involved in a head on car accident in a 60mph zone.my wife & son were minor injured but i was lucky to survive.i had many bone fractures & head injuries & i did not know who i was,what had happened,nor recognize my wife or child for 3 months.i was in hospital for 6 months.i was unable to do anything for a year.by this time i was in financial difficulty & due to this & my mental state grabbed what i could get in court,which was not much.during this time no one helped...no one.i continued to go to the meetings but my heart was gone & the downhill slide had started.over the next 7 to 8 years i worked a normal job but started to drink & by mid 80s was not attending meetings.my wife was a good jw & did not understand my feelings.although i had much respect for her & still do,by this stage we had 3 kids,& there was a chasm between us.i knew that i was affecting my wife but she would never divorce me.so i figured the best way was to give them all the reason not to want me around.i was called to the meeting & i told the elders how i felt & that even i did not know why.disfellowshiped.fair enough.we divorced late 80s.she married an elder.i married a so say worldly person.about 3 or 4 years later my new wife & i had 2 kids & were getting along fine.i had started talking to dad but i did not want to go back to meetings.my dad was disfellowshiped for smoking & could not give it up.he became ill & very depressed.he overdosed on anti depressants.my mum knew what he had done & left him on the floor for 24 hours before calling an ambo.she rang me when he was dead.i don,t talk to her any more.she remains a jw.no comment.my sisters are jw,s.
nobody talks anymore but.three weeks after dad died my brother had a lot of problems,financial,legal & grief.he was only 29.he shot himself.i buried two in three weeks.and so began a new chapter in my life...violence.and baby wasn,t i good at it.i king hit everyone within arms length for a year.didn,t lose a fight,the anger was immense.did the maximum weekend detention,lost my job,my second wife took the kids & went.
understandable.i held a gun in my mouth so hard i bled for two days.but i couldn,t do it.i love my present wife & kids & i believed that jehovah would understand & forgive me when i die.i did my best with what i was given.from that day i never looked back.i fixed it up with my wife & we get on great.my three oldest kids to my 1st wife are jw,s but i see a bit of them.my wife now hasn,t much time for religion.understandable.she is a nurse.i don,t work any more.i still look outside & appreciate what god has done for us but i don,t need other people to feel that.too much damage done.i don,t slag the witnesses nor the wts.their business what they do.i just don,t agree with the procedure of df,s and the climate of fear & guilt.i have seen much & will contribute where i can.you seem like a decent bunch.good luck to you all.nigel
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by Nigel inmy name is nigel.i am 50,married with five kids,early teens to late 20,s.i live in the bush in australia.i have cruised this site for a couple of months & feel comfortable enough to talk now.those of you who were long term jw,s will understand that.only my direct family know what i am about to tell.i have never told anyone else as they would not understand.i was born a jw in the u.k. and some of my first memories are of going door to door.i was scalded when i was 4 & i remember some brothers coming to see me.my parents emigrated when i was 13 as my dad didn,t get on with the inlaws.my dad drank a bit at home at home & was violent.it was never spoken about outside of the family and at 15 i left home.i was the eldest of four.i continued to go to meetings,lived on my own & learnt a trade.at 20 i married a good jw girl as was expected & became a regular pioneer.i was a good public speaker & as far as the congregation was concerned had a bright future.i believed in what i was doing as it was what i had been taught.when i was 22 we had a baby & was witnessing one sunday morning & was involved in a head on car accident in a 60mph zone.my wife & son were minor injured but i was lucky to survive.i had many bone fractures & head injuries & i did not know who i was,what had happened,nor recognize my wife or child for 3 months.i was in hospital for 6 months.i was unable to do anything for a year.by this time i was in financial difficulty & due to this & my mental state grabbed what i could get in court,which was not much.during this time no one helped...no one.i continued to go to the meetings but my heart was gone & the downhill slide had started.over the next 7 to 8 years i worked a normal job but started to drink & by mid 80s was not attending meetings.my wife was a good jw & did not understand my feelings.although i had much respect for her & still do,by this stage we had 3 kids,& there was a chasm between us.i knew that i was affecting my wife but she would never divorce me.so i figured the best way was to give them all the reason not to want me around.i was called to the meeting & i told the elders how i felt & that even i did not know why.disfellowshiped.fair enough.we divorced late 80s.she married an elder.i married a so say worldly person.about 3 or 4 years later my new wife & i had 2 kids & were getting along fine.i had started talking to dad but i did not want to go back to meetings.my dad was disfellowshiped for smoking & could not give it up.he became ill & very depressed.he overdosed on anti depressants.my mum knew what he had done & left him on the floor for 24 hours before calling an ambo.she rang me when he was dead.i don,t talk to her any more.she remains a jw.no comment.my sisters are jw,s.
nobody talks anymore but.three weeks after dad died my brother had a lot of problems,financial,legal & grief.he was only 29.he shot himself.i buried two in three weeks.and so began a new chapter in my life...violence.and baby wasn,t i good at it.i king hit everyone within arms length for a year.didn,t lose a fight,the anger was immense.did the maximum weekend detention,lost my job,my second wife took the kids & went.
understandable.i held a gun in my mouth so hard i bled for two days.but i couldn,t do it.i love my present wife & kids & i believed that jehovah would understand & forgive me when i die.i did my best with what i was given.from that day i never looked back.i fixed it up with my wife & we get on great.my three oldest kids to my 1st wife are jw,s but i see a bit of them.my wife now hasn,t much time for religion.understandable.she is a nurse.i don,t work any more.i still look outside & appreciate what god has done for us but i don,t need other people to feel that.too much damage done.i don,t slag the witnesses nor the wts.their business what they do.i just don,t agree with the procedure of df,s and the climate of fear & guilt.i have seen much & will contribute where i can.you seem like a decent bunch.good luck to you all.nigel
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Me again.I thought Bryan had made a mistake in posting.I understand.Sorry Bryan.Sorry Brenda.It wasn,t Napoleon anyway,it was Nelson.Best watch my sense of humour.Too well developed.Kids.If you want to write my email is [email protected] have time & i am o.k. fella except for the sense of humour.I have the latest anti virus software etc. & heaps of photos of Aust. Barrier reef etc.Hope i didn,t upset you but.See ya.
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by Nigel inmy name is nigel.i am 50,married with five kids,early teens to late 20,s.i live in the bush in australia.i have cruised this site for a couple of months & feel comfortable enough to talk now.those of you who were long term jw,s will understand that.only my direct family know what i am about to tell.i have never told anyone else as they would not understand.i was born a jw in the u.k. and some of my first memories are of going door to door.i was scalded when i was 4 & i remember some brothers coming to see me.my parents emigrated when i was 13 as my dad didn,t get on with the inlaws.my dad drank a bit at home at home & was violent.it was never spoken about outside of the family and at 15 i left home.i was the eldest of four.i continued to go to meetings,lived on my own & learnt a trade.at 20 i married a good jw girl as was expected & became a regular pioneer.i was a good public speaker & as far as the congregation was concerned had a bright future.i believed in what i was doing as it was what i had been taught.when i was 22 we had a baby & was witnessing one sunday morning & was involved in a head on car accident in a 60mph zone.my wife & son were minor injured but i was lucky to survive.i had many bone fractures & head injuries & i did not know who i was,what had happened,nor recognize my wife or child for 3 months.i was in hospital for 6 months.i was unable to do anything for a year.by this time i was in financial difficulty & due to this & my mental state grabbed what i could get in court,which was not much.during this time no one helped...no one.i continued to go to the meetings but my heart was gone & the downhill slide had started.over the next 7 to 8 years i worked a normal job but started to drink & by mid 80s was not attending meetings.my wife was a good jw & did not understand my feelings.although i had much respect for her & still do,by this stage we had 3 kids,& there was a chasm between us.i knew that i was affecting my wife but she would never divorce me.so i figured the best way was to give them all the reason not to want me around.i was called to the meeting & i told the elders how i felt & that even i did not know why.disfellowshiped.fair enough.we divorced late 80s.she married an elder.i married a so say worldly person.about 3 or 4 years later my new wife & i had 2 kids & were getting along fine.i had started talking to dad but i did not want to go back to meetings.my dad was disfellowshiped for smoking & could not give it up.he became ill & very depressed.he overdosed on anti depressants.my mum knew what he had done & left him on the floor for 24 hours before calling an ambo.she rang me when he was dead.i don,t talk to her any more.she remains a jw.no comment.my sisters are jw,s.
nobody talks anymore but.three weeks after dad died my brother had a lot of problems,financial,legal & grief.he was only 29.he shot himself.i buried two in three weeks.and so began a new chapter in my life...violence.and baby wasn,t i good at it.i king hit everyone within arms length for a year.didn,t lose a fight,the anger was immense.did the maximum weekend detention,lost my job,my second wife took the kids & went.
understandable.i held a gun in my mouth so hard i bled for two days.but i couldn,t do it.i love my present wife & kids & i believed that jehovah would understand & forgive me when i die.i did my best with what i was given.from that day i never looked back.i fixed it up with my wife & we get on great.my three oldest kids to my 1st wife are jw,s but i see a bit of them.my wife now hasn,t much time for religion.understandable.she is a nurse.i don,t work any more.i still look outside & appreciate what god has done for us but i don,t need other people to feel that.too much damage done.i don,t slag the witnesses nor the wts.their business what they do.i just don,t agree with the procedure of df,s and the climate of fear & guilt.i have seen much & will contribute where i can.you seem like a decent bunch.good luck to you all.nigel
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Hey,it,s me again.Thanks for the replies.It makes me feel good to think that people do care.My wife is good she is a Psych nurse & the most nearly always normal person i have met.Thanks for the links. jst2laws no Bryan is not my son.I,ve never been to Texas.Pity.It,s a legendry place.Cowboys & Indians.I could adopt Bryan i suppose.Australia is a good place to live.I hope you,re o.k. there in Florida.I,ve been following the hurricanes.Good luck matey.Avishai, no i didn,t talk to the cops.I think they knew the story.The coroners report said death by misadventure or something.Ten years ago now.Hard to rehash.Sometimes people who overdose take a long time to die.Depends on how much they take i guess.Tongue in cheek, not a nice way to go.Not as easy as you think.He was still squeezing a paramedics hand a couple of hours before he died.It,s my mothers conscience not mine.How do you explain that one to God? I just don,t talk to her.She rings on my birthday, i,m polite.If she wants to sort it out,talk to dad.Difficult.Brenda, scarey business ain,t it.Man you were serious,big weapon.Yuk! Napoleon was deaf in one ear.Me being Britsh an all.He used it to great advantage except in the last battle.Once too often.She,ll be right matey.You,re O.k.I don,t agree with the DFS procedure.I understand keeping the cong clean etc. but to many mistakes.Tears families apart permanantly.Like i said in another post,the cop just gives me the rules & the ticket & he don,t talk to me no more.He don,t love me.Good luck & thanks again.Nigel
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But Jesus Would Approve of Disfellowshipping as being a part of LOVE!!!
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I was disfellowshipped 16 yrs ago after all my life as a JW. I got this next door neighbour.He did something 16 yrs ago & i haven,t talked to him since.I cross the street when i see him.My mate came over.I said hey mate this fella next door seems o.k. but i ain,t talked to him for 16 yrs.I ignore him but he seems o.k. I ain,t talking to him till he,s talked to me for a few months while i continue to ignore him.My mate thinks i,m crazy.Disfellowshipping is like when a cop pulls you over for speeding.The cop says Here,s the rules! Here,s the fine! See ya later mate! He don,t love me.
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by Nigel inmy name is nigel.i am 50,married with five kids,early teens to late 20,s.i live in the bush in australia.i have cruised this site for a couple of months & feel comfortable enough to talk now.those of you who were long term jw,s will understand that.only my direct family know what i am about to tell.i have never told anyone else as they would not understand.i was born a jw in the u.k. and some of my first memories are of going door to door.i was scalded when i was 4 & i remember some brothers coming to see me.my parents emigrated when i was 13 as my dad didn,t get on with the inlaws.my dad drank a bit at home at home & was violent.it was never spoken about outside of the family and at 15 i left home.i was the eldest of four.i continued to go to meetings,lived on my own & learnt a trade.at 20 i married a good jw girl as was expected & became a regular pioneer.i was a good public speaker & as far as the congregation was concerned had a bright future.i believed in what i was doing as it was what i had been taught.when i was 22 we had a baby & was witnessing one sunday morning & was involved in a head on car accident in a 60mph zone.my wife & son were minor injured but i was lucky to survive.i had many bone fractures & head injuries & i did not know who i was,what had happened,nor recognize my wife or child for 3 months.i was in hospital for 6 months.i was unable to do anything for a year.by this time i was in financial difficulty & due to this & my mental state grabbed what i could get in court,which was not much.during this time no one helped...no one.i continued to go to the meetings but my heart was gone & the downhill slide had started.over the next 7 to 8 years i worked a normal job but started to drink & by mid 80s was not attending meetings.my wife was a good jw & did not understand my feelings.although i had much respect for her & still do,by this stage we had 3 kids,& there was a chasm between us.i knew that i was affecting my wife but she would never divorce me.so i figured the best way was to give them all the reason not to want me around.i was called to the meeting & i told the elders how i felt & that even i did not know why.disfellowshiped.fair enough.we divorced late 80s.she married an elder.i married a so say worldly person.about 3 or 4 years later my new wife & i had 2 kids & were getting along fine.i had started talking to dad but i did not want to go back to meetings.my dad was disfellowshiped for smoking & could not give it up.he became ill & very depressed.he overdosed on anti depressants.my mum knew what he had done & left him on the floor for 24 hours before calling an ambo.she rang me when he was dead.i don,t talk to her any more.she remains a jw.no comment.my sisters are jw,s.
nobody talks anymore but.three weeks after dad died my brother had a lot of problems,financial,legal & grief.he was only 29.he shot himself.i buried two in three weeks.and so began a new chapter in my life...violence.and baby wasn,t i good at it.i king hit everyone within arms length for a year.didn,t lose a fight,the anger was immense.did the maximum weekend detention,lost my job,my second wife took the kids & went.
understandable.i held a gun in my mouth so hard i bled for two days.but i couldn,t do it.i love my present wife & kids & i believed that jehovah would understand & forgive me when i die.i did my best with what i was given.from that day i never looked back.i fixed it up with my wife & we get on great.my three oldest kids to my 1st wife are jw,s but i see a bit of them.my wife now hasn,t much time for religion.understandable.she is a nurse.i don,t work any more.i still look outside & appreciate what god has done for us but i don,t need other people to feel that.too much damage done.i don,t slag the witnesses nor the wts.their business what they do.i just don,t agree with the procedure of df,s and the climate of fear & guilt.i have seen much & will contribute where i can.you seem like a decent bunch.good luck to you all.nigel
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My name is Nigel.I am 50,married with five kids,early teens to late 20,s.I live in the bush in Australia.I have cruised this site for a couple of months & feel comfortable enough to talk now.Those of you who were long term JW,s will understand that.Only my direct family know what i am about to tell.I have never told anyone else as they would not understand.I was born a JW in the U.K. and some of my first memories are of going door to door.I was scalded when i was 4 & i remember some brothers coming to see me.My parents emigrated when i was 13 as my dad didn,t get on with the inlaws.My dad drank a bit at home at home & was violent.It was never spoken about outside of the family and at 15 i left home.I was the eldest of four.I continued to go to meetings,lived on my own & learnt a trade.At 20 i married a good JW girl as was expected & became a regular pioneer.I was a good public speaker & as far as the congregation was concerned had a bright future.I believed in what i was doing as it was what i had been taught.When I was 22 we had a baby & was witnessing one sunday morning & was involved in a head on car accident in a 60mph zone.My wife & son were minor injured but i was lucky to survive.I had many bone fractures & head injuries & i did not know who i was,what had happened,nor recognize my wife or child for 3 months.I was in hospital for 6 months.I was unable to do anything for a year.By this time i was in financial difficulty & due to this & my mental state grabbed what i could get in court,which was not much.During this time no one helped...no one.I continued to go to the meetings but my heart was gone & the downhill slide had started.Over the next 7 to 8 years i worked a normal job but started to drink & by mid 80s was not attending meetings.My wife was a good JW & did not understand my feelings.Although i had much respect for her & still do,by this stage we had 3 kids,& there was a chasm between us.I knew that i was affecting my wife but she would never divorce me.So i figured the best way was to give them all the reason not to want me around.I was called to the meeting & i told the elders how i felt & that even i did not know why.Disfellowshiped.Fair enough.We divorced late 80s.She married an elder.I married a so say worldly person.About 3 or 4 years later my new wife & i had 2 kids & were getting along fine.I had started talking to dad but i did not want to go back to meetings.My dad was disfellowshiped for smoking & could not give it up.He became ill & very depressed.He overdosed on anti depressants.My mum knew what he had done & left him on the floor for 24 hours before calling an ambo.She rang me when he was dead.I don,t talk to her any more.She remains a JW.No comment.My sisters are JW,s. Nobody talks anymore but.Three weeks after dad died my brother had a lot of problems,financial,legal & grief.He was only 29.He shot himself.I buried two in three weeks.And so began a new chapter in my life...violence.And baby wasn,t i good at it.I king hit everyone within arms length for a year.Didn,t lose a fight,the anger was immense.Did the maximum weekend detention,lost my job,my second wife took the kids & went. Understandable.I held a gun in my mouth so hard i bled for two days.But i couldn,t do it.I love my present wife & kids & i believed that Jehovah would understand & forgive me when i die.I did my best with what i was given.From that day i never looked back.I fixed it up with my wife & we get on great.My three oldest kids to my 1st wife are Jw,s but i see a bit of them.My wife now hasn,t much time for religion.Understandable.She is a nurse.I don,t work any more.I still look outside & appreciate what god has done for us but i don,t need other people to feel that.Too much damage done.I don,t slag the witnesses nor the WTS.Their business what they do.I just don,t agree with the procedure of DF,s and the climate of fear & guilt.I have seen much & will contribute where i can.You seem like a decent bunch.Good luck to you all.Nigel