Posts by belbab

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Need Help FAST!

by TweetieBird in

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my son (who's 15) came home from the meeting last night (he thinks he wants to be a witness, but that's in another thread) and said that his grandmother (my mother-in-law) told him my reason for not going to meetings (the un thing, also discussed in another thread).

he told me that i need to talk to the po about it as he had heard about it a while back and has some information.. hmmmm, me thinks the mom-in-law has been talking to the po about what i told her last week.

i'm sure that i will be getting a shepherding call (a drop-by, unscheduled visit) by him this weekend.

belbab

Tweetie sweetie,

I have found out over the years that you do not have to do a big preparation. If you are where are now, how did you get there. You have enough info with you now.

Jesus said if you are called before kings and rulers for my sake, do not prepare what to say before hand, it will be given to you at that time. When I was going out nearly thirty years ago, I must have talked officially and off the cuff to numerous district servants and circuit servants. It always came up in the conversations, what is the next appropriate thing to say, and sometimes it was anger, sometimes not, sometimes love and kindness. I was always able with out effort to reflect whatever was thrown out to me. This worked, trust in Him.

Then after these meetings I would laugh to myself, they had to go and write a report to the Society, while I continued on my way whistling.

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Rex's road to Armageddon?

by unclebruce in

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in a post yesterday, englishman asked "please name 'just one' atrocity done in the name of atheism".

i offered the crimes of gengis khan, stalin and mao tze tung.

i would have liked a discussion on that, but such as life is on a discussion bored, it never eventuated.

belbab

Well Honker Bruise,

I just reread your article. Just to show you I made it to the bottom, I include this following quote:

So what does a good right thinking biblebelter do with the guilt and blame? Pass it on to someone else.

So, allow me to digress a little. I have lived on the periphery of biblebelters since childhood. One of my elder brothers, a biblebelter, came back from WW 11 with a souvenir, a german SS belt about a quarter inch thick. Our 'old man' had abandonned us to the welfare and good luck around then, so older brother took it upon himself to be biblebelt administrator on his younger siblings. Since I was in my teens by then, he did not get very far with me. But I guess my youngest brother, [there's a few more in between] must have carried a good portion of the guilt transfer you mentionned above. I just learned recently what happened to that belt. Younger brother, found it and stuffed up the fireplace chimney that was not used. No one knew what happened to it. It is probably still there, for years later after that house was sold it was made into a heritage house and only certain alterations could be made.

Now thank God, the Lord called elder brother elsewhere, but I think he found another belt, cause he must have transferred a truck load of guilt onto his first born son, to the point the son disassociated himself from reality. Later, elder brother, went to the Lord in prayer and requested an assignment of all places, to Australia, But Goddammit, the assignment was annulled cause the Lord gave elder brother a nose bleed, which was unusual, he said, he didn't get nose bleeds often. He took his nosebleed as a sign the Lord didn't want him to go to Ozzieland

So then if not Australia, (you lucky buggers) he thought he would go south (from Canada) to the true biblebelter country, the uessov A. where he would feel right at home. Regrettfully, firstborn son, could not go, cause the U ess had enough firstborn biblebelt victims who were out of touch with reality already, so firstborn son had to stay in Canada, and has been washing dishes and making salads ever since, lives alone and out of touch with family and somewhat, but not too much, with reality.

Now above mentionned younger brother told me several months ago that he sent messages announcing the birth of a new grandson to all his brothers and sisters. He sent an e-mail to elder biblebelter to the south, and received acknowledgement with the words, "Sorry, busy"

Jeezus, Jeezus, Lordy Lord, you sure work in mysterious ways.

So getting back to your post, I wish to summarize it with the following Koan:

HONK IF YOU LOVE JESUS.

FOR THE LOVE OF JESUS, DON'T HONK.

So HONK or NOT TO HONK? I tend to lean towards being a NON-HONKER.

BELBAB

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JW Child Labor--Prince v. Massachusetts

by JAVA in

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while doing some research, i came across a united states supreme court case the society lost in 1944 on the topic of child labor.

the two paragraphs below are from, odd gods, new religions & the cult controversy, edited by james r. lewis, prometheus books, new york, 2001, pp.

78-9.. "one of the earliest cases involving children in a religious setting was prince v. massachusetts (1944).

belbab

Great discovery, Java, it has to be a goldmine. It was posted at 15:52, Fred is trying to hi-jack the thread at 15:55. What took you so long Fred, it took three minutes for you to move your ass.

So this has to be good, Java, I think you hit a sore spot for the GB.

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Breakfast

by gilwarrior in

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i just want to know: what did everyone have for breakfast this morning?

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i had some oatmeal, two slices of toast with butter, and some orange juice.

belbab

I am trying to digest, Uncle Bruces post a few posts below this one.

There is enough information there, to last me for a week. It sure beats, WT cornflakes.

belbab

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Rex's road to Armageddon?

by unclebruce in

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in a post yesterday, englishman asked "please name 'just one' atrocity done in the name of atheism".

i offered the crimes of gengis khan, stalin and mao tze tung.

i would have liked a discussion on that, but such as life is on a discussion bored, it never eventuated.

belbab

Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, now I know where you have been the last few days, cause there were no posts from you. You've written a keeper here. I have read it through once, but I'll print it out and study it again. I got the message about Genghis Khan et al, I was about to post the same, but you got there first.

I always thought that you wear a coat of many different colors. Now I see in this article, your undergarments, your under pinnings are a seamless and indivisible. I hope the Philistines, can never rip it apart and parcel it out to the four winds.

belbab, sorting out the laundry.

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'Time' not a constant in the Universe!

by Outaservice in

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when i was a good old jw, going out in service, counting my time, i noticed something strange.. i could drive to one side of the county, make a back-call, and then drive clear through town as slow as i could and then out of town to the other side of the county to make another back-call.

the total time it took to do this was about 6 minutes!.

if i was not out in service and was trying to rush, say to a movie, it took at least 45 minutes to get through town alone!

belbab

Fred,

Whatz that you say, Outaservice been outta the fun too long?

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Noah literally not as old as...

by Will Power in

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for those who take the bible literally.

sample of interesting reading from .

http://www.flood-myth.com/.

belbab

Will Power, you got it?

Very interesting post, I'll have to go through it when I have more time. My first question is: how does this affect chronology? Shortens things doesn't it?

Also I always thought, at least since I left JWs that the flood was a river flood thing. Something like they are experiencing in Washington state right now. Rain. Rain Rain on the west coast almost for forty days. If the Mountain of Megiddo, is just a hump on a plain of Palestine, why can't Mount Ararat be the same thing.

However, if the flood of Noah, was just a local flood it still does not change the story. It still has significance for humanity. Noah's family still took a giant leap forward in mankinds history.

thanks for great post.

belbab

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JW's and "free" literature...

by Andyman in

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i have a discussion going on another board about the so called "free" literature from the society.

i have tried to explain that is not free but the jw's insist i am lying.. all the jw's keep saying it's "free" no charge.

i would love any comments on this topic so i can link it to the jw's over there.

belbab

Handyman,

I have a friend, an ex JW, who used to be a literature servant or whatever they call them now. He told me some of the subterfuge methods they would have to use to ensure that enough contributions went into the box, which you would trip over if you didn't watch your step. If you didn't know how much to contribute, he would say, well if you bought a book like this in the store you would have to pay so much for it.

But what I found most illuminating is this: Many congregations would get behind with their literature accounts with the Society. Now congregations pay up front to the Society. Literature is sent out to the congregations and payment is automatically drawn from the cong's bank accounts as it comes in. If there is a shortfall in contributions for the literature, the congregation has to absorb it somehow.

belbab

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Dateline airtime update added to website

by silentlambs in

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i have decided to add a weekly update to when the dateline story might air.

the latest info should go up each monday.

of course when i know for sure it will be posted there first.

belbab

Bill, your proposed weekly notice is certainly something that is needed. Silentlambs project since September has in my opinion has been obscured into the background somewhat.

I believe there are things each of us can do, to show our anticipation for the dateline show. For example, my wife has relatives that are still JWs, this past weekend she finds out that her relatives know about the upcoming dateline show and know that pedophilia is a problem in the org. and are aware of a case in their own congregation. So if any still have contacts into the organization I think we can help to keep the anticipation alive.

Where I am, I do not think I can get Dateline on our cable network. I have looked up Dateline TV on the search engine and come up with sites, but I wish to make sure I have the right site. There is one site that asks for feedback e-mails for the viewers questions and opinions etc. Now on Jan 11th as posted on this board, we are informed that there will be a program that exposes child abuse in some other religious community. Now if some of us can watch that program and then e-mail, thought and questions as to when JWs are brought up before public scrutiny, Dateline will know there exists a lot of interest in the subject. I believe that if victims could write it would carry a lot of weight. So my suggestion is that we do all that is possible to keep tha anticipation alive.

I have posted an url here. Can someone verify for me whether this is the proper site to send messages to dateline?
http://www.msnbc.com/news/435157.asp

belbab

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TWO WOLVES

by belbab in

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two wolves .

a native american grandfather was talking to his .

grandson about how he felt about the sept. 11th tragedy.

belbab

TWO WOLVES

A Native American grandfather was talking to his
grandson about how he felt about the Sept. 11th tragedy.

He said, "I feel as if I have two wolves fighting in my heart.
One wolf is the vengeful, angry, violent one. The
other wolf is the loving, compassionate one."

The grandson asked him, "Which wolf will win the fight
in your heart?"

The grandfather answered, "The one I feed."