Posts by belbab

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DID YOU EVER KNOCK ON AN UNUSUAL PLACE?

by badboy in

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eg.white house/buckingham palace?

belbab

Going door to door in the dark in a rooming house in Old Montreal, before the congregation book study. We use to have to do that in the old days. If you make too much noise the concierge usually would be alerted and come and kick you out. So I would only knock on the few doors that had a light showing in the crack of the door by the floor. I knocked on one door where there was a light, no answer. I knocked again, and a woman's voice, somewhat puzzled, This the bathroom!

I beat a hasty quiet retreat.

belbab

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The final and correct interpretation of John 1.1

by Hellrider in

yup, i finally did it.

i solved the problem.

this is the final and correct interpretation of john 1.1. it came to me after reading a quote by origen: "if anyone would say that the word of god or the wisdom of god had a beginning, let him beware lest he direct his impiety rather against the unbegotten father, since he denies that he was always father, and that he has always begotten the word.

belbab

Can anyone tell me how to correct format the above post? I have copied it from Word Pad.

Sorry for my ignorance.

Belbab

I still don't know exactly how to do it. What are the two check boxes, Html and automatic. How do I delete something? How do I delete this post. I Quit. (for now)

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The final and correct interpretation of John 1.1

by Hellrider in

yup, i finally did it.

i solved the problem.

this is the final and correct interpretation of john 1.1. it came to me after reading a quote by origen: "if anyone would say that the word of god or the wisdom of god had a beginning, let him beware lest he direct his impiety rather against the unbegotten father, since he denies that he was always father, and that he has always begotten the word.

belbab

Allow me to add some thoughts to the above discussion. I have to introduce these thoughts with certain statements. Please consider these statements, not as declarations but as nebulous questions and exploratory points of view.

Jesus said that after his departure a gradual understanding of his words and deeds would take place. He indicated that John would probably be around when he (Jesus) revealed himself again.

The Gospel, Epistles and Apocalypse of John were written decades after the events taking place during the life of Jesus. John was instructed:

"Therefore write the things which you have seen, and the things which are, and the things which will take place after these things. Rev.1:19
Also:

"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."

These two verses, if you can accept it, are keys to understanding the Book of Revelation and the Gospels and Epistles of John, and also include an understanding of the whole Bible and beyond.

John, while being immersed in the Name of the Father, was to reveal The Was, the Is and the Coming. He revealed that the perception of time would be no more or no longer. (Rev.10:6 Webster)

Rev 1:12, 13 says: Then I turned to see the voice that was speaking to me and I saw….one like a son of man.

John turned and looked behind, not necessarily in space, but in time. This leads him to consider the Was brings us to his introduction to the book of John:

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was fully God. 1:2 The Word was with God in the beginning.

Why did John commence with these words?

He wanted to show the origin, the beginning of a new kosmos that Jesus introduced. He was showing that this new kosmos was not from man, not from nature, but out of heaven (Luke 20.4; Rev 21:2) It was not founded by the armies of men. It was not from a democratic election. Most of the people at that time voted against it and still do today.

A beginning precludes and end. If you can accept the beginning there is light. If you cling and identify with the end of the old, you are enveloped in clouds and darkness.

John, as a Jew, no doubt knew by heart the words:
In the beginning, God (elohim, plural) created the heavens and earth. After a series of words of beginnings and endings the word was declared, "Let us create dust into our image" These ancient words stated in the book of beginnings (Genesis), including the beginnings of consciousness of dust, declare that the earth animate and inanimate originated out of heaven. It did not come into existence by the work of some blind watch maker. It did not come forth riding on the backs of turtles all the way down, nor from a big bang of compressed energy. Nor did it arrive from the thoughts and deeds of men as shown in the text of Isaiah 55: 8-11 cited in a post above. If you can accept this, The Was the Is and the Coming is still creating dust in His image. Even the words of all of us posting in this thread, are figuratively digging, weeding, cultivating, planting, harvesting all the while watered from the well-springs of heaven.
Why does no man know the day or the hour not even the collective or singular Son of man? In a post above, it is suggested that it did not come into the Father’s mind, that he never thought of it. Have you not considered that there are opposing thoughts in His universe?

The Son, does not entertain these opposing thoughts, he ordered them to get behind him. But the Father acknowledges them and has allowed creatures in His universe to have freedom to think as they wish, even to the detriment of other creatures that do not entertain opposing thoughts. If he has allowed his creatures freedom of thought how can the day and the hour be determined when each and every creature will have a change of heart and come to the realization that for eternal well-being God’s thoughts hold supreme.

Belbab, trying.

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Are women cows? Yes and No says the WTS

by blondie in

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w51 5/1 p. 278 making a success of marriage ***women are not cows or pieces of property that become exclusive possessions of husbands to do with them whatsoever they please.

*** w61 12/15 pp.

767-768 questions from readers *** .

belbab

Why doesn't the Watchtower writers complete totally their analogy?

They state: If there is no male in the herd, she will go elsewhere looking for one and she is unsettled until she finds one and then is bred by him. Now she is contented, ........

Having grown up in the country until I was twelve, this is what I have observed. The cow, heifer (first timer) is unsettled and if there is no bull around will start to beller and start humping other cows, and the jargon is she is "bulling". The farmer takes her to a bull, maybe to another farm where there is one. Now, the cow settles down. The bull, too, is quiet, waiting for the right time. He stands and waits at the opproriate end and sniffs and snuff the vaginal fumes emanating from his femine counterpart. . Now cattle have long tongues, they can even reach up and moisten their own nostrils. So the bull gives a good slurpy work over with his tongue, to ground zero area. They both seem to be aware when the appropriate moment arrives and then the bull rises to the occasion.

Now applying that to girls and boys and up... ahh, Oh I forgot, taboo, verbotten, no no.....

Now another comparison, they do not mention that a bull services quite a few cows in his entourage, while the WT society does not openly endorse applying that feature of the analogy to their members, from many posts on this board it seems that many elder seem to believe that is their prerogative.

I also remember some young brothers refering to young sisters in their prime and waiting to be plucked as heifers.

How good to see that many brothers take the wisdom of the WT analogy to heart.

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Anybody post on JWD who lives in Russia?

by AndersonsInfo in

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please private message me if you are an xjw who lives in russia and is fluent in english.

.

barbara

belbab

I remember some posts quite a few months ago, where a whole group of JWs left the organisation, and I remember e-mail one of them. I just don't remember when and I do not have a record any more on my computer. I will try and research it on JWD and see if I can find something.

Keep trying, Me too, Belbab

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Preaching the gospel to the dead

by jstalin in

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how does the wts deal with the fact that christ preached the gospel to the dead in 1 peter 3:19 and 4:6?

they claim the dead cannot be conscious of anything.

belbab

Leolaia, I enjoy all your posts and always look forward to reading them and I appreciate immensely all the research you do.

I would like to throw in another scripture into this discussion. One which I have thought long about over the years. I do not have much time at the moment, to write all my thoughts but I will make brief comments.

The text is Luke 2:34 which tells about the prophecy of Simeon, that Jesus would be the cause of the rising and fall of many in Israel. The word in Greek for rising is anastasis which every where else I believe is translated as resurrection.

Jesus did not resurrect "many" during his three and a half years, two or three at the most.

To understand the texts in this discussion about the dead I believe that you have to understand what is translated by John and Paul as everlasting life. Everlasting life was considered by these writers as existing in the present, and was not some lengthy life in the future, but was a certain quality of life in the present.

One more comment. Shakespeare wrote somewhere, a couple of times, ( paraphrasing:) As long as my words exist, I shall exist.

These thoughts may seem to be all disjointed, but for me they are not, I just can't explain them in a brief few words.

I would appreciate any comments on the text at Luke 2:34.

belbab

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Watchtower directs us to kill our families!

by free2beme in

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when the watchtower ask you to turn in your own family for wrong doing, and subject them to possible disfellowshipping.

by their own teaching, they are killing you.

throwing you into the ocean to drown while they sail away into the new system of things.

belbab

This post reminds be of the old English custom of trying suspect persons by trial by ordeal.

If a person was suspected of witchcraft or other crimes he was subjected by the clergy to undergo having his hands and legs tied and thrown down a well or body of water.

If he sank then he was considered innocent, if he floated he was guilty. If he sank it meant he accepted the sacrament of baptism, and God supposedly would save him. If he floated then he was renouncing baptism and indicating he was guilty.

Today we consider this barbourous!

Are the actions of judicial committee today any less barbourous? Figuratively' they throw an undesirable member out into "deep water with hands and feet tied", separting him from friends and family. If when thrown out he goes his way and survives his ordeal and figuratively floats then it is considered that he had a bad heart and deserved his disfellowshiping. If the individual cannot survives the ordeal figuratively "sinking" and returns to fold, then he is considered as having a good heart and is repentant and is in good standig (tm)

belbab

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God telling us something through coincidences?

by jst2laws in

just a few minutes ago i happen to look down at my odometer and it was rolling up the last zero for 144,000.

at the same moment i looked to my right and i happen to be passing the kingdum hall.

is god sending me a message????

belbab

Back in 1967, while still a Dub, I was sitting in an international airports waiting room at night. It was a very stormy night, The heavy rain and windstorm was hammering against the windows People were standing near the window that faced the runway. They could not see anything. But they were anxious about incoming flights. One woman started to cry and moan with fright.

Over the loud speakers came the announcement that Flight # 666 from Rome was nearing the airport.

I thougt,almost a conviction, was that the plane would crash.

A few minutes later, the announcement came that the plane had safely landed.

Was the universe telling me something? Sure. It was telling me loud and clear that I as well as the organization I belong to was not in accord with neither "God, Jehovah or the Universe.

J2Laws, What does your odometer say now, after a few days? Did you stop right there and never ran your car since? I'll give you ten dollars if your odometer still is at 144,000.

Was the universe telling you something? Certainly! Just as your odometer continues counting after you pass the kingdump hall, the 144,000 number of those marked in Revelation can continue to grow after that number is reached. Just as your odometer at a certain point in time says 144000 so at a certain period of time the number anointed (TM) reaches that point.

Your experience is what is called synchronicity. If you want to learn more, by doing a search on Jung and Synchronicity. Synchronicity has meaning for the person who experiences it. Someone else a non JW, would not even be aware of the two synchronous events.

belbab, resurfacing.

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Pipe bomb at Bethel.

by Etude in

does anyone remember the incident that happened back in the summer of 1974 at what was called the "squibb" building at bethel where a pipe bomb detonated at one of the doors just under the bridge that spanned the complex across columbia heights?

i was at bethel at the time and i even have a picture of two nypd cops standing in front of the scene the day after (if i can only find the picture).

i was thinking of posting it on this forum but i don't know how.

belbab

The link below is a post I made some time ago. Since I wrote it, I have talked again to the ex-dub who told me and it is basically the same. It is about a kingdom hall that was levelled to the ground by the mafia.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/28426/364966/post.ashx#364966

belbab

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JW Death: Gordon Buckley

by Nosferatu in

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my mother informed me of the death of a jw in my old congregation.

before i go into detail about why i address his death with burn in hell, here's his obituary:.

obituary .

belbab

I knew Buckley back in the sixties. Back then he was also a mooch and a conniver. He would get his pioneer time in for the year in about six to eight months, ( had a sharp pencil ?) and spend the rest of the year away from his assignment. He was always scheming for fast money making schemes. He was assigned by WT one time to Magdeline islands where each spring the seal hunt is on where they club baby seals to death for their pelts.

He persuaded some brothers from the prairies who had a plane (ski-plane I believe that could land on the ice }to participe one spring. Buckley nearly perished when he fell in a slush filled ice hole while away from others.

His accomlices got into trouble with the gov't for transporting a baby seal back to Saskatchewan, a no. no, for environmental reasons.

Their money making scheme was a failure, so the following year, he was going to try again. I wanted me to find a helicopter company, at my own expense, to participate the following year.

The obituary did not state that he left any wife behind. Not that he didn't try to find one. But that is another long drawn out soap opera. Why beat a dead horse,

OK, my wife, tells me I should include the following:

When she was single, Buckley, phoned her up to ask her for a date. He did not have an operational vehicle at that time, so he asked that her pioneer partner who had a car, drive her through heavy Montreal traffic to rendezvous with him. After the date, the pioneer partner was to come back and pick them up and transport them home. Yueeechh!