Posts by Ben

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heavenly hope

by Shining One in

hi friends,.

what the bible says about heaven: .

*** rbi8 hebrews 11:12-16 *** .

Ben

Stormy: Have you found anything else on this?

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animals creation

by yentel in

some animal and bird forms were created after adams creation.. see "all scriptures" page 286 para13.

agape

Ben

yentel: I fully expected you to reply to this by now. Don't you have anything else to say? I was hoping you might shed some light on this.

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Dinosaur's & fossils records

by moman in

i have been in the "truth" for some yrs., & just can't seem to reconsile the huge fossile record with the society's timetable.

if each creative day waz 7k yrs., that means the dinosaurs only lived on this earth for a few thousand yrs.= (sixth creative day 7k yrs.

to noah's flood).

I had to add this in light of mgm's reference to the dinosaurs. I had a brother come up to me one day and tell me that he'd had a disturbing thought. It seems that he was musing one day about dinosaurs and their extinction when he had this unsettling epiphany, if you would. Why had Jehovah allowed part of his creation to just vanish? Their purpose was over, perhaps? Just then he said he wondered if perhaps Jehovah might do the same with man once man's purpose was fulfilled. He said that the notion disturbed him considerably.

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Dinosaur's & fossils records

by moman in

i have been in the "truth" for some yrs., & just can't seem to reconsile the huge fossile record with the society's timetable.

if each creative day waz 7k yrs., that means the dinosaurs only lived on this earth for a few thousand yrs.= (sixth creative day 7k yrs.

to noah's flood).

Ben

Hey, maybe the cheetah REALLY liked fruit and he wanted to catch it before it hit the ground! Hehehe, just kiddin'. I agree with you that upon close scrutiny MUCH of it does not make sense. Fossil records that far pre-date Noah pretty much establish the fact that some of the animals were carnivores and thereby shooting the theory that they were all herbivores all to hades.

I am fascinated by the account, however. In every legend there is a kernel of truth, sometimes that truth is far more interesting than the legend that grew around it. How about some speculation here? What do you think really happened? The local flood as related here by mgm seems more logical but are there any other theories out there?

To see is to see all.

Edited by - Ben on 26 April 2000 7:59:50

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Dinosaur's & fossils records

by moman in

i have been in the "truth" for some yrs., & just can't seem to reconsile the huge fossile record with the society's timetable.

if each creative day waz 7k yrs., that means the dinosaurs only lived on this earth for a few thousand yrs.= (sixth creative day 7k yrs.

to noah's flood).

Ben

moman: The Society has dropped it's 7,000 year long creative days teaching shortly after the 1975 fiasco. It became quite apparent then that the elaborate 'great jubilee' scenario that was set up was nothing more than conjecture. You won't find this 'seven thousand year day' teaching in any of the later publications.

On the matter of Noah's ark: If you accept the Biblical account as factual and literal then there is something that you have to accept also. It was an act of God, a miracle. It would have been impossible for Noah to gather all those animals. It would have been impossible to put them all on that ark. It would have been impossible to sustain all those animals for the duration of the flood and it would have been impossible for the animals to disperse in the manner in which they did (with some species being indigeneous to only certain continents, etc, like your kangaroos). None of that, of course, would have been impossible with God. The account of the flood is undoubtedly a SUMMARY of what actually happened, with many details not related. Any speculation as to how God would have accomplished that would be...speculation! It might be fun to think up of ways this may have been done but in the end you will be no closer to KNOWING than you are now.

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Precisely when in 1914 did the GT end???

by JCole in

i have been asking this question since studying the babylon the great book back in the '60s.

maybe i'm thickskulled, but simply restating that it ended in october or tishri doesn't explain away my reasons for asking the question.

i'm only looking for answers about the date in 1914, and i'm not looking for the typical apostate replies that the year is wrong.. i question october/tishri being the end of the gentile times, and thus the start of jesus' reign, for the following reasons:.

Ben

JCole: I'll attempt a shorter reply.
There is obviously an overlapping of events here. Inasmuch as the ride of the fiery red horse is a result of the enthronement of the King, it's no more than fitting that it follows the ride of the white horse although the war actually begins before the enthronement. IT IS BECAUSE OF THE FORTHCOMING RIDE OF THE WHITE HORSE THAT THERE IS WAR. WAR is the result of the upcoming enthronement. The enthronement is not the result of the war. The war EVENTUALLY escalate to it's global scale AFTER the enthronement takes place.

Apology: Didn't mean to 'corrupt' your thread with my musings.

To see is to see all.

Edited by - Ben on 25 April 2000 22:49:29

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baptism.....again

by claudia in

jw
friends

hi, i dont know how to tell my family that i dont wish to be baptized yet, i want to be baptized to serve jehovah, but i am unsure about being baptized as one of jehovahs witness.

why cant i just be baptized like it says in the bible?

what can i tell my family?

Ben

You're welcome, Claudia, for whatever small help I have been. I was concerned that you may have been a teenager and of the parental pressures that would certainly have been brought to bear against you. That doesn't mean that there won't be a constant effort to persuade you but as an adult you are certainly more capable of following the dictates of your own conscience.

Be prepared to get the 'cold shoulder' from some once it's known that you don't desire to get baptized. It's not really their fault, it's the conditioning. BTW, there's nothing wrong with having a child-like dispostion, attitude, and outlook. I've been ten years old now for forty-two years and I'm not budging!

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Precisely when in 1914 did the GT end???

by JCole in

i have been asking this question since studying the babylon the great book back in the '60s.

maybe i'm thickskulled, but simply restating that it ended in october or tishri doesn't explain away my reasons for asking the question.

i'm only looking for answers about the date in 1914, and i'm not looking for the typical apostate replies that the year is wrong.. i question october/tishri being the end of the gentile times, and thus the start of jesus' reign, for the following reasons:.

Ben

Now, along those same lines... How much Scriptural proof exists to make the correlation between the dream that Nebuchadnezzar had and the establishment of the Kingdom? Another point: 'time, times, and half a time' is interpreted as 'three and a half times'. Why does 'times' have to be only 'two'? It's an indefinite plural. Why couldn't it be 'three' or 'four', etc.? The very mechanism used to 'determine' the length of a time is very dubious. Even if the 'times' of the Revelation are 360 days, why would the 'times' of Daniel's prophecy necessarily be the same? Why did Jesus make no mention of that prophecy in connections with his 'return'? Why did none of the Christian writers mention it?

Someone have some input on this?

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What do you like best about the Bible?

by spectromize in

just a question trying to find out what most of you like best about learning some things taught in the scriptures and our worship as jw's.

Ben

I have several 'favorite passages' in the Bible. One of them is the passage dealing with Elijah and the prophets of Baal. Elijah was a man with incredible faith. He was a man who knelt before a crowd and called down fire from heaven. Not content with that remarkable feat, he prayed again and rain fell from heaven to end a drought that had lasted for years.

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Paradise

by Frenchy in

okay, for those of you who've read milton's paradise lost, how close/far do you think he was from what actually happened?.

comments, please.

Ben

... In Milton's work, Jesus is created AFTER the angels and the heavens. God assembles the angels and introduces him to the angelic hosts as 'his son', as the one for whom all things have been made. Milton reasons that it is in this sense that Jesus is the firstborn of all creation inasmuch as from the beginning of creation, God intended for all things to be his so he is the firstborn of all creation. It is this action which enrages Satan (jealous that this newcomer now has all authority) and provokes him to make his war plans against the heavenly hosts.

I'm not sure if Milton believed this or whether he was merely spinning the yarn, making stuff up as he went. In either case, I find that an interesting perspective on the Biblical account, epspecially from a man who was quite well versed in the Scriptures.