in re "the last trump"bro.
h. b. rice, editor and publisher of the last trump, has been obliged by circumstances beyond his control to suspend its publication.
knowing that such a course was probable, we two months ago proposed to bro.
Old Goat20 hours agoThere's a biography and photograph of Hugh Brown Rice in Schulz and de Vienne's book, Separate Identity, Volume 1. http://www.lulu.com/us/en/shop/b-w-schulz/a-separate-identity-organizational-identity-among-readers-of-zions-watch-tower-1870-1887/paperback/product-21546337.html
Interesting. I may get the books.
I have been looking through my old Watch Tower bound volumes, very carefully though as they are old, old, old.
The story they tell... Mmmm Mmmm
if you look at the cover of the original 'the watch tower' it says;.
the watch tower .
and herald of christ's presence.
bennyk18 hours agoYou appear to be confused. CTR claimed since 1876 that the invisible parousia had begun Oktober 1874.
CTR made the claim on 02. Oktober that the Gentile Times had ended. (Yeah; he was still wrong...)
Hey Benn. I think you misread my post.
if you look at the cover of the original 'the watch tower' it says;.
the watch tower .
and herald of christ's presence.
If you look at the cover of the original 'The Watch Tower' it says;
THE WATCH TOWER
AND HERALD OF CHRIST'S PRESENCE
But why this?
On page 20 of the Watch Tower 1879 Vol 1, CTR explains.
"We think we have good solid reasons - not imaginations- not dreams not visions, but Bible evidences (known to the majority of our readers) that we are now "in the days of the Son;" that "the day of the Lord" has come, and Jesus, a spiritual body, is present, ... This is the signification of our subtitle "Herald of Christ's Presence."
So, the purpose of the subtitle was in fact, according to the first edition of The Watchtower, to convey to the minds of the readers, Russell's teaching that the "parousia" was already ongoing.
So, for that gas bag to enter the lunchroom in 1914 at Bethel, after his failed prophecy, and announce to everyone that Jesus had indeed come, only invisibly, was a pharisaical affront of immense magnitude.
That shitebag had been teaching that Jesus was already invisibly there for over 35 years and now he's going to.... what??? ....teach something new??? What?? Jesus came last night??? Holy cow... and now we see it was an invisible coming... STOP THE PRESSES
And what the hell of the last 35 years up till that, with the Watchtower bearing the title announcing that the invisible coming had been going for the last 35 years...
How would you have felt, to be sitting there, after a lifetime being taught that the invisible presence was ongoing since before 1879 and then to be told that it just happened last night.
Would you have had a WTH moment?
in re "the last trump"bro.
h. b. rice, editor and publisher of the last trump, has been obliged by circumstances beyond his control to suspend its publication.
knowing that such a course was probable, we two months ago proposed to bro.
IN RE "THE LAST TRUMP"
Bro. H. B. Rice, editor and publisher of The Last Trump, has been obliged by circumstances beyond his control to suspend its publication. Knowing that such a course was probable, we two months ago proposed to Bro. Rice that we would supply THE WATCH TOWER to his subscribers, instead of The Trump,... w1879 Vol 1, page 3
CT Russell with his 'Watchtower' moved in on The Trump 137 years ago. Will the modern day Watchtower follow suit?
has anyone noticed the wt's most recent shell-game revisionism in the november study tractazine, relating to the shifting of its "babylonish captivity" doctrine, from a 3 1/2-year period around the ww 1 years, to a period now spanning about 16 centuries, or from the 4th century (constantine's legal recognition of christianity) to 1919?.
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So now, how do they explain the "Two Witnesses in Sackcloth for 42 Months" of Revelation 11?
has anyone noticed the wt's most recent shell-game revisionism in the november study tractazine, relating to the shifting of its "babylonish captivity" doctrine, from a 3 1/2-year period around the ww 1 years, to a period now spanning about 16 centuries, or from the 4th century (constantine's legal recognition of christianity) to 1919?.
Watchtower teaching was collapsing on itself...
It was unwavering doctrine that; Jesus "arrived" in 1914 and found only Russell and his merry band worthy. So worthy, in fact, that he selected them, and only them, as his chosen and elect. So worthy they were, that God Almighty placed them in charge of Earth and everything and everyone on it.
It was also unwavering doctrine that the same merry band was full of Babylonian traditions that dishonered God and thus were allowed to be thrown into Babylonish captivity as part of their refining.
Huge contradiction. Anyone who noticed it either shut the hell up, if they knew what's good for them.
i have argued with several jws who are now being trained to deny the org ever said the end in 75, what is your approach?.
There was an old brother in one of the congo's here who had transferred congos because of the treatment he received related to his public comments on this topic. (1975)
He's dead now. However, the story was related to me from a very trusted friend, just why he moved congos. And I knew the story teller well, as well as knowing the old bro well. So there's no mistake.
This bro was a real estate agent during the 1960's and 70's. I remember his real-estate work from when I was young.
So, during one of the meetings in his old congo, he gave a comment that pertained to 1975. In this comment, he related how the Society did indeed preach 1975, and that he, as a real estate agent of the time "was the one who was selling all the houses"...
Now this bro was a ministerial servant and long time pioneer. He was in charge of literature. So it's not like he was already marginalized.
The elders ordered him into the back room right after the closing prayer.
They must have ripped him a new arsehole. He came out all red-faced and skipped his duties, and marched his newly vented ass right out the door.
Then he moved congos. (The End)
Recently, I had an elder and his family at my dining room table for a sit down meal. Now, my wife doesn't like it when I 'bring something up', and for once, I didn't have to. This elder gets himself on the 1975 topic. On and on he goes about how "the Society never said anything about 1975".
It was then that I had enough. I spoke up... and I asked, "Have you ever done any reading on the topic within the Society's publications?" (blank stare)
I then asked "Have you ever sat down in front of the keyboard and ran the CD Rom Library and punched in 1-9-7-5 and hit "SEARCH"...?
(deer in headlights with awkward moment)
Further I said "...and started reading...?"
Finally he admitted "No".
I said "...they said plenty, and before talking about that date, one should do the reading" (cold breeze went through the room)
His wife looked like she was going to choke.
I thought, 'day ain't ano helpin' dem bumpkins...'
hello on this beautiful sunday!
just a quick little update to the post i made a few months ago about my mil shunning us.
quick recap: during a convo after she attended the rc and was going on and on about how powerful it was and how great the videos were, blah, blah, blah...i couldn't take it anymore and told her that's not our lives anymore and i didn't want to hear anymore about it and to please respect that and move on to something else to talk about.
Watchtower is full of hypocrisy. It's a way of life, for a dub.
so we all know of some (in)famous quotes that the wt has said in recent years.. the one that comes to mind is: (this is just from memory, so please feel free to add the proper links / references).
"we must be willing to obey the direction from the gb no matter how strange it seems from a human standpoint".
so, how does that "direction" / "command" to obey the gb fit in with feb 2017 statement:.
MY RELIGION RIGHT OR WRONG
of all the things that the watchtower has done wrong, what would you say is the singular most powerful thing that you could point a jw to, to crack their eyes open?
what is the singular thing that can be expressed bluntly and conclusively that might shock a jw to their senses?
if you could only carry one arrow in your quiver on your way to war with watchtower, what would it be?.
Vidiot: How would you say your life was " considerably more difficult " ?
