hey folks.
i have been looking for the latest on shunning of those who have drifted.
i recall the 2016 convention had a part, and i believe there was a video.
Hey folks. I have been looking for the latest on shunning of those who have drifted.
I recall the 2016 convention had a part, and I believe there was a video. As well, there was a WT study last year that talked about they who say "it's not coming in my lifetime" as being pretty well apostate.
Help one, help all. Thanks
the elders in this area are getting burned out.
i have overheard comments that demonstrate this, but in my dealings with them, i clearly see it.
they can't keep it straight.
A lot of good comments here. Since I posted this, I have had contact with a bro who was an elder here but who now doesn't even attend meetings. He totally bummed out.
But ultimately, he is still hooked on Watchtower. WT has been his god and WT will continue to be his god.
Only now, he wants to complain about his god... while it's still his god.
i realize that wt has got a wind fall of cash through various means.
so my question is in the greater scheme of things is it really that much.
for example let's say with all their real estate and cash on hand they are worth about $20 billion dollars.
Wait till those who work at WARwhack start getting sick from the contaminants leeching up through the ground left from the nickel mine.
it is an often asked question i know, but it perplexes me.. if witnesses are so convinced that they have "the truth", why is the act of researching information from external sources so taboo?
didn't the bible itself tell people to "use their powers of reason" and also praised ones like the boreans for researching things they were told??.
seriously, if there is no doubt about the organization being "god's channel" on earth, and it alone having the "truth", surely researching would only enhance such 'facts'?.
Jehovah's Witnesses are safe inside their spiritual paradise gated community.
Brother Zombie is here seen communicating with a reporter.
Brothers and sisters behind chime in with "NO INFORMATION... NO INFORMATION TAKE IT AWAY... AWAY"
it is an often asked question i know, but it perplexes me.. if witnesses are so convinced that they have "the truth", why is the act of researching information from external sources so taboo?
didn't the bible itself tell people to "use their powers of reason" and also praised ones like the boreans for researching things they were told??.
seriously, if there is no doubt about the organization being "god's channel" on earth, and it alone having the "truth", surely researching would only enhance such 'facts'?.
Never mind that JWs are, as some said above 'scared of doing research outside JW literature', they are indeed scared of doing research WITHIN JW literature. A simple thing as opening their eyes to what is on the page in front of them is made impossible. Look for example at a 'very important' chapter of the "Kingdom Book" now being studied (I use that term loosely) at the weekly meeting. Chapter 2, paragraph 29 versus paragraph 33. They both cannot be true.
https://www.jw.org/en/publications/books/gods-kingdom/the-kingdom-is-born-in-heaven/
It's less painful to bang your head against a rock than to make a JW see what's on the page.
i have seen some discussions related to the "kingdom" book, and the recent studies, but, i didn't see the one pertaining to the second chapter of the "kingdom" book.
i may have missed it.
if i have ...mea culpa.. chapter 2, paragraph 29 & 33.
slimboy. I imagine that if WW1 didn't break out in 1914, Jehovah's Witnesses would not exist.
i have seen some discussions related to the "kingdom" book, and the recent studies, but, i didn't see the one pertaining to the second chapter of the "kingdom" book.
i may have missed it.
if i have ...mea culpa.. chapter 2, paragraph 29 & 33.
I have seen some discussions related to the "Kingdom" book, and the recent studies, but, I didn't see the one pertaining to the second chapter of the "Kingdom" book. I may have missed it. If I have ...mea culpa.
Chapter 2, paragraph 29 & 33
29 Long before 1914, the Bible Students said that a time of trouble would begin in that marked year. But even they could not have imagined how accurate that prediction would turn out to be.
33 Unfulfilled expectations were another test. Though the Watch Tower had rightly pointed to 1914 as the year when the Gentile Times would end, the brothers did not yet understand what would take place in that year.
Ok. The first point is, when using the actual paper publication, paragraph 29 is on the top left and paragraph 33 is top right. So you can see both points without turning the page. Simultaneously. So there is no excuse.
Par. 29 makes the point that they were "accurate" in their "prediction". So, obviously, 'they knew it all'. Yep. Brilliant people those. So well did these ones knew the future, that they could publicly tell out a "PREDICTION".
(Note that the book says they made a "prediction", something Jehovah's witnesses say they don't do when defending their failed predictions.)
But according to paragraph 33, a few paragraphs later, these oracles 'hadn't a clue' what the hell was going to transpire in1914.
Full text from jw.orgie https://www.jw.org/en/publications/books/gods-kingdom/the-kingdom-is-born-in-heaven/
A complete contradiction.
And how a bout a fat lie.
Watchtower magazine July 15, 1894 (226-231) under the heading "CAN IT BE DELAYED UNTIL 1914?"
We see no reason for changing the figures-nor cold we change them if we could. They are, we believe, God's dates, not ours. But bear in mind that the end of 1914 is not the date for the beginning, but for the end of the time of trouble. We see no reason for changing from our opinion expressed in the view presented in The Watch Tower of January 15, '92. We advise that it be read again. (italic original)
The Watchtower of January 15, 1892 page 19-21) [1354]
VIEW FROM THE TOWER
The Scriptures give unmistakable testimony... that there is a great time of trouble ahead... anarchy and terror, and prostrate humanity in the very dust of despair... out of that confusion... the new rule of righteousness. All this the Scriptures show us, is to come to pass before the year 1915 ((See MILLENNIAL DAWN, VOL II., CHAPTER IV.)-- that is, within the next 23 years.
...the daily papers and the weeklies and monthlies... continually discussing the prospects of war in Europe. They... predict that war is inevitable.... But notwithstanding these predictions and the good reasons which many see for making them, we do not share them. That is, we do not think that the prospects of a general European war as so marked...
The Watchtower has written so many lies. So very many lies. How could anyone trust them for anything.
regarding what happened post russell in 1917, if you ask a jw, they'll say it was the fault of the ousted board members who were 'self willed'.
if you ask an ex-jw, they'll say it was a 'power grab' by rutherford.
the latest yearbook elaborates on the situation:.
Neat blue doggie. If your research only goes as far as the latest spin in a washtower blatherification, then you are lost.
the elders in this area are getting burned out.
i have overheard comments that demonstrate this, but in my dealings with them, i clearly see it.
they can't keep it straight.
Imagine the JW camp and the whole story is a 'war front'. (Not too difficult when you consider Rutherford looked at it precisely that way and that's why he named congos "a company".)
The dubs are in the trenches and the elders are the officers.
The enemy advances toward our lines...
The elders either begin sobbing or run in the opposite direction.
...what leaders.
the elders in this area are getting burned out.
i have overheard comments that demonstrate this, but in my dealings with them, i clearly see it.
they can't keep it straight.
The elders in this area are getting burned out. I have overheard comments that demonstrate this, but in my dealings with them, I clearly see it. They are getting 'used up'. They can't keep it straight. They have so many letters and rules and policies that they are getting confused and forgetting everything. They don't seem to know which end is up anymore.
I had one elder here issuing instructions as per a recent letter, and then later inquiring about the same policies that he himself was responsible for disseminating information about. He asked about it, after he himself did the groundwork a month ago, then tells me "it's the first I've heard about it"... whoa!
I was aghast.
Another elder couldn't do the closing prayer. He said "I'm not prepared... I have to prepare". Damn, I thought, the meeting is not even started and it's the closing prayer, and you can't freaking do it 'cause you're 'not prepared ' ... WTH.
The COBE is burnt. You can see him slowly losing it and his wife was telling other sisters about how he is burnt.
Another elder was required do do something simple ...and openly, in front of the Congo, made a 'disgusted face' and refused. Same elder, emailed me about an issue, I emailed him back. In his next reply, he contradicted himself in the same response. I thought, 'bro... you gotta look better at your lies before you hit SEND'. WTH
Its a weekly thing. Everyday a new surprise. But all pointing to the same conclusion, elders getting burnt out. Too many balls to juggle.
