i think the majority of forum friends are aware of the existence of a vibrant watchtower opposition in the spanish field.
for about 13 years the extj forum was probably the main instrument for that endeavor, sadly the couple sponsoring that site decided to close it at the end of last year.
it seems like they were overwhelmed with personal obligations and responsibilities; they were covering a 100% of the expenses without any outside cooperation or publicity.. after the closing of their forum, some of the friends started new sites to keep the flow of information alive.
At the conventions, it's almost all children getting baptized.
And there's fewer converts in number coming in from the field than those passing away. Replacement is negative.
Children aren't going to cut it. Stats I've been keeping for years show that it's an even split, 50/50 chance as to which kids stay and which kids go.
And the kids that stay are not devout, and are poor. SO contributions are in decline any way you slice it.
i'm just making my way through crisis of conscience for the second time and once again i am struck by the presentation of such detailed records.
letters are shown in full - copies of letters from the branch, and to the branch.
reports are quoted vebatim.
Blondie.
I wanted to give'm both a big hug. I spoke many times with Ray on the tele. I almost flew down to see them once.
(In case my wee wifey reads here, I'm not putting this on you sweetie)
Missed opportunity.
In life, one has to seize the moment.
I guess... in the next life.
i'm just making my way through crisis of conscience for the second time and once again i am struck by the presentation of such detailed records.
letters are shown in full - copies of letters from the branch, and to the branch.
reports are quoted vebatim.
Blondie. Did you actually have the opportunity to share a meal with the Franz's?
this is the first time i've read through a watchtower magazine in about a year.
although i've been our only 8 months it really git me how crazy i must have sounded when i was a jw talking to non jws.. while other bible based religions talk about the 4 horsemen and back up their theories with other scriptures or historical evidence, the watchtower have taken so such steps.
1914 is thrown in there as if it's universally agreed that jesus started ruling since then.. even when i was a jw i never really understood why, if the pale horse represents jesus, why is he first?
There are TWO white horses. They are not the same. The two could not be more dissimilar.
The white horse of Rev. 6 is a direct contrast to the white horse of Rev. 19
The white horse of Rev. 6 is government by man.
The white horse of Rev. 19 is government by Christ
The white horse of Rev. 6 is given a "bow" symbolizing carnal warfare. He is given a "crown" symbolizing the authority to use it.
See Jesus words to Pilate John 19:11"Jesus answered him, “You would have no authority over me at all unless it had been given you from above."
The white horse of Rev. 19, in contrast, is called (19)"faithful and true" and "judges and wages war righteously". This second white horse carries a rider who does not have a cheap crown, as was given the first rider. No, his head has "many diadems". This second white horse has no method of carnal warfare, but rather "his eyes are a fiery flame"
The first white horse is not spoken of as being righteous in any way. The second, is said to be "faithful and true" and his garments give testimony as to his qualifications as they are sprinkled in blood symbolizing his self sacrifice.
When people talk about the two very different horses as though they were one, it reflects cult programming.
The first white horse is followed by war, famine, suffering and death.
The second is followed by unlimited righteous horses.
i'm just making my way through crisis of conscience for the second time and once again i am struck by the presentation of such detailed records.
letters are shown in full - copies of letters from the branch, and to the branch.
reports are quoted vebatim.
This is an interesting thread. And so many posters have excellent input.
I would like to add my thoughts.
I believe Ray was studious in his work and a super duper records keeper. I am quite certain that he did not plan to do things the way they played out.
I base this on the content of the letters he wrote to me. I corresponded with him over several years. During that time, I got to know him a little better.
I told Ray about the things I was doing locally in opposition to Watchtower, and surprisingly, he questioned these actions. He said "why would you want to do that?"
His response tells me that he most certainly did not 'plan over an extended period to amass large quantities of information to build a massive case against Watchtower'.
At the end, he added the UN affair to his book, although it had nothing to do with his personal "Crisis of Conscience". Before I sent Ray the copy of the original letter from the UN that appears in the final edition, I first questioned him on it.
What goes around, comes around.
http://avoidjw.org/2017/02/stephanie-fessler-v-watch-tower/.
stephanie fessler v watch tower.
stephanie fessler was brought up as a jehovah’s witness by her parents, jodee and kevin.
We need to see a few elders on a post, in a public place.
A warning to the rest of the dumb schmucks.
this is the first time i've read through a watchtower magazine in about a year.
although i've been our only 8 months it really git me how crazy i must have sounded when i was a jw talking to non jws.. while other bible based religions talk about the 4 horsemen and back up their theories with other scriptures or historical evidence, the watchtower have taken so such steps.
1914 is thrown in there as if it's universally agreed that jesus started ruling since then.. even when i was a jw i never really understood why, if the pale horse represents jesus, why is he first?
The four horses of the Apocalypse present a picture of this existence.
The four horses represent life on this world. Every time a man gets on a white horse to "fix the world"... the other horses follow, Warfare, Famine and Death right behind. Always.
Caesar, Ivan the Terrible, Henry VIII, Hitler, Mussolini, Idi Amin, Lenin, Bush and now Trump. They all get on that White Horse to ride. Authority is given them like a cheap crown. And a bow. They are let loose to prove themselves.
The end is always the same. It is to the detriment of humanity.
But the second White Horse is no fake. It is Christ Himself. He rides in a righteous war. His angels ride behind, not three horses, but uncountable, all righteous. His crown is not a fake. His appointment is real and at the cost of his own blood, of which he is sprinkled.
The sky is darkened, the Earth quakes. As it was when the Christ died, it is again when He comes. It is the sign of the Son of Man.
This is the Apocalypse.
8 months df'd.
loving a life of freedom.
however, my family are all shunning me.
It sounds like "Mom" is suffering from munchausen by proximity to witness.
There's no cure, unfortunately.
anybody have any ideas where they are going with the "new light" they have been pushing last week and this week?
for instance in this weeks study article one section reads:.
in years gone by, we believed that jehovah became displeased with his people because they did not have a zealous share in the preaching work during world war i. we concluded that for this reason, jehovah allowed babylon the great to take them captive for a short time.
inbetween
They are absolutely losing it.
anybody have any ideas where they are going with the "new light" they have been pushing last week and this week?
for instance in this weeks study article one section reads:.
in years gone by, we believed that jehovah became displeased with his people because they did not have a zealous share in the preaching work during world war i. we concluded that for this reason, jehovah allowed babylon the great to take them captive for a short time.
The interesting thing in today's study is, in the 1914-1918 period, there was no "the preaching work" because there was no "the slave organization" to initiate it, because there was no "faithful slave".... till 1919.
In fact, since this whole discussion was about the time before the supposed "appointment of the slave", all these persons were just members of Christendom who were "uppity". They had no special standing from Jesus supposed standpoint because he hadn't chose anybody for anything yet. ACCORDING TO WT THEOLOGY.
And nobody can put that simple fact together.
In fact, according to WT dogma, the Master, Jesus, who "went away for a long time" left nobody in charge of "feeding the household of faith" for 2000yrs until Br. Booze.
Sure, this contradicts the illustration, but who would notice? The yucks in the pews can't see the forest for the trees. They soak it up, when they should be puking it out.
How in fact can the Watchtower magazine have any significance whatsoever when the guy who invented it was a member of Christendom. CT Russell died before the supposed 1919 slave appointment. Who the hell was he...
Why the hell would God's people want to use a rag that CT Russell named.
