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  I thought it was time to talk.....

  by wozza in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i'd like to relate an experience i had yesterday with a couple of jw's "working" with a cart yesterday.. been coming to this site for many years and these days i don't feel i've got much to contribute ,but i was out yesterday doing some voluntary work for a friend who has gone on an overseas trip .travelling around my local seaside area doing the job at hand ,i came across a couple of jw's sitting in a shelter overlooking the beach and had their trolley propped against a large public rubbish bin ,it was actually hard to see ithe trolley from most angles - whatever happened to lifting the basket to show the light stuff ...oh well .the large carpark was pretty empty except for us ,we've had pretty wet weather here lately ,bad storms and here they were set up for a days witnessing rugged up with wind and spitting rain ,i sort of thought " well that's dedication " ....that was my first thought then i pulled myself together and then thought "if i wanted to get some time in and not have to work at it too hard this maybe the place to go if i was a jw still".. well i finished my pickup and looked over at the two and realised i'd read other's experiences about approaching the cart people and wondered if talking to them would be of any benefit as i had witnessed this area for many years and my stance against the wts for hiding molestation of children is well known ,i thought, and they avoid me like the plague.. they were'nt familiar to me so i went up to them and introduced myself and quickly let them know who i was and what i am doing now as regards jw's.

  they were a married couple middle aged been in for a long time and could relate to changes in the org very well to pre 1975 when i had first contact.

  they pretty much suggested i was blinded to the truth ,when challenged on the royal commission into sex abuse they pointed to a case where they believed a victim they supposedly knew of in the jws was a liar ,so that's their case for the org -unbelievable.

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  I would have liked to take a bunch of literature from the cart and started tossing it into the bin, right in front of them.

  Then... video the looks on their faces.

  And keep the video going to see if they went dumpster diving.
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  Their lamps are going out.

  by biblexaminer in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  everyone here has read mt.

  25 and knows the illustration of the virgins with the lamps.

  i have mentioned this illustration in conversation with several dubbies, to draw attention to their foolishness in following watchtower's false reasoning.. in the illustration, there are two kinds of virgins, or people.

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  Everyone here has read Mt. 25 and knows the illustration of the virgins with the lamps. I have mentioned this illustration in conversation with several dubbies, to draw attention to their foolishness in following Watchtower's false reasoning.

  In the illustration, there are two kinds of virgins, or people. Those who take extra oil containers and those who don't.

  I ask, what is the ONLY difference between the two groups? Is one set of virgins more chaste? Better looking maybe? LOL

  No. The only difference is the oil containers.

  And what does the oil container provide the holder with?

  One word. TIME.

  The lamps all burn with the same brightness. But not for the same amount of time.

  The foolish virgins who fail to think ahead about the long wait to come, who convince themselves that 'they know better' as to when the bridegroom will return, these take no oil container.
  

  In their cloistered mind, they figure that they know when he will come back, and 'much sooner than everyone else thinks'. Yes, they are brilliant! They have it all locked up.

  The wise virgins, on the other hand, fully accept Jesus' words, that "nobody knows the day and hour" of his return, and they understood that his absence would be of duration. So, they plan accordingly. The "dig in for the long haul". They prepare to wait as long as it takes, patiently.

  Today, I see may JWs whose lamp is running out of oil, or is empty already. They have lived for a day, perhaps not a day as was made by the ghost of Watchtower past, (1914, 1975etc) but a day of their own mind's making according to the Watchtower theology that they have consumed for so long.

  I am hearing horror stories that have no happy ending. Dubs that are running out of cash and have no option but to do manual labour well into their declining years. Yes, their oil is gone.

  It can result in horrific circumstances.

  Ver sad.
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  Sad news from the Spanish Front

  by Hecce in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i think the majority of forum friends are aware of the existence of a vibrant watchtower opposition in the spanish field.

  for about 13 years the extj forum was probably the main instrument for that endeavor, sadly the couple sponsoring that site decided to close it at the end of last year.

  it seems like they were overwhelmed with personal obligations and responsibilities; they were covering a 100% of the expenses without any outside cooperation or publicity.. after the closing of their forum, some of the friends started new sites to keep the flow of information alive.

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  At the conventions, it's almost all children getting baptized.

  And there's fewer converts in number coming in from the field than those passing away. Replacement is negative.

  Children aren't going to cut it. Stats I've been keeping for years show that it's an even split, 50/50 chance as to which kids stay and which kids go.

  And the kids that stay are not devout, and are poor. SO contributions are in decline any way you slice it.
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  Was Ray Franz Playing The Long Game?

  by rory-ks in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i'm just making my way through crisis of conscience for the second time and once again i am struck by the presentation of such detailed records.

  letters are shown in full - copies of letters from the branch, and to the branch.

  reports are quoted vebatim.

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  Blondie.

  I wanted to give'm both a big hug. I spoke many times with Ray on the tele. I almost flew down to see them once.

  (In case my wee wifey reads here, I'm not putting this on you sweetie)

  Missed opportunity.

  In life, one has to seize the moment.

  I guess... in the next life.
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  Was Ray Franz Playing The Long Game?

  by rory-ks in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i'm just making my way through crisis of conscience for the second time and once again i am struck by the presentation of such detailed records.

  letters are shown in full - copies of letters from the branch, and to the branch.

  reports are quoted vebatim.

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  Blondie. Did you actually have the opportunity to share a meal with the Franz's?
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  Watchtower No.3 2017 - The Four Horesmen

  by pale.emperor in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this is the first time i've read through a watchtower magazine in about a year.

  although i've been our only 8 months it really git me how crazy i must have sounded when i was a jw talking to non jws.. while other bible based religions talk about the 4 horsemen and back up their theories with other scriptures or historical evidence, the watchtower have taken so such steps.

  1914 is thrown in there as if it's universally agreed that jesus started ruling since then.. even when i was a jw i never really understood why, if the pale horse represents jesus, why is he first?

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  There are TWO white horses. They are not the same. The two could not be more dissimilar.

  The white horse of Rev. 6 is a direct contrast to the white horse of Rev. 19

  The white horse of Rev. 6 is government by man.

  The white horse of Rev. 19 is government by Christ

  The white horse of Rev. 6 is given a "bow" symbolizing carnal warfare. He is given a "crown" symbolizing the authority to use it.

  See Jesus words to Pilate John 19:11"Jesus answered him, “You would have no authority over me at all unless it had been given you from above."

  The white horse of Rev. 19, in contrast, is called (19)"faithful and true" and "judges and wages war righteously". This second white horse carries a rider who does not have a cheap crown, as was given the first rider. No, his head has "many diadems". This second white horse has no method of carnal warfare, but rather "his eyes are a fiery flame"

  The first white horse is not spoken of as being righteous in any way. The second, is said to be "faithful and true" and his garments give testimony as to his qualifications as they are sprinkled in blood symbolizing his self sacrifice.

  When people talk about the two very different horses as though they were one, it reflects cult programming.

  The first white horse is followed by war, famine, suffering and death.

  The second is followed by unlimited righteous horses.
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  Was Ray Franz Playing The Long Game?

  by rory-ks in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i'm just making my way through crisis of conscience for the second time and once again i am struck by the presentation of such detailed records.

  letters are shown in full - copies of letters from the branch, and to the branch.

  reports are quoted vebatim.

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  This is an interesting thread. And so many posters have excellent input.

  I would like to add my thoughts.

  I believe Ray was studious in his work and a super duper records keeper. I am quite certain that he did not plan to do things the way they played out.

  I base this on the content of the letters he wrote to me. I corresponded with him over several years. During that time, I got to know him a little better.

  I told Ray about the things I was doing locally in opposition to Watchtower, and surprisingly, he questioned these actions. He said "why would you want to do that?"

  His response tells me that he most certainly did not 'plan over an extended period to amass large quantities of information to build a massive case against Watchtower'.

  At the end, he added the UN affair to his book, although it had nothing to do with his personal "Crisis of Conscience". Before I sent Ray the copy of the original letter from the UN that appears in the final edition, I first questioned him on it.

  What goes around, comes around.
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  Stephanie Fessler v Watch Tower - Trial on Tuesday, Feb. 7, 2017 in Pennsylvania

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  http://avoidjw.org/2017/02/stephanie-fessler-v-watch-tower/.

  stephanie fessler v watch tower.

  stephanie fessler was brought up as a jehovah’s witness by her parents, jodee and kevin.

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  We need to see a few elders on a post, in a public place.

  A warning to the rest of the dumb schmucks.
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  Watchtower No.3 2017 - The Four Horesmen

  by pale.emperor in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this is the first time i've read through a watchtower magazine in about a year.

  although i've been our only 8 months it really git me how crazy i must have sounded when i was a jw talking to non jws.. while other bible based religions talk about the 4 horsemen and back up their theories with other scriptures or historical evidence, the watchtower have taken so such steps.

  1914 is thrown in there as if it's universally agreed that jesus started ruling since then.. even when i was a jw i never really understood why, if the pale horse represents jesus, why is he first?

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  The four horses of the Apocalypse present a picture of this existence.

  The four horses represent life on this world. Every time a man gets on a white horse to "fix the world"... the other horses follow, Warfare, Famine and Death right behind. Always.

  Caesar, Ivan the Terrible, Henry VIII, Hitler, Mussolini, Idi Amin, Lenin, Bush and now Trump. They all get on that White Horse to ride. Authority is given them like a cheap crown. And a bow. They are let loose to prove themselves.

  The end is always the same. It is to the detriment of humanity.

  But the second White Horse is no fake. It is Christ Himself. He rides in a righteous war. His angels ride behind, not three horses, but uncountable, all righteous. His crown is not a fake. His appointment is real and at the cost of his own blood, of which he is sprinkled.

  The sky is darkened, the Earth quakes. As it was when the Christ died, it is again when He comes. It is the sign of the Son of Man.

  This is the Apocalypse.
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  My families shunning has gone to a whole new level

  by pale.emperor in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  8 months df'd.

  loving a life of freedom.

  however, my family are all shunning me.

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  It sounds like "Mom" is suffering from munchausen by proximity to witness.

  There's no cure, unfortunately.