Posts by biblexaminer

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Does Paul preach a fundamentally different religion than Jesus?

by Yesu Kristo Bwana Wangu in

controversy has arisen regarding jesus versus paul as scholars debate the different emphases and messages of jesus and paul.1 jesus preached the kingdom of heaven.

paul did not.

paul preached justification by faith alone.

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People will chose to believe that which they want to believe. Most often, that which agrees with their lifestyle.

Are there "differences" between the OT and NT. Sure. But the Bible has endured thousands of years of tinkering, starting with the Jews and then the "Christian" church.

But, the idea that God was ruthless in the OT and snugly bugly in the NT is preposterous.

God is Love. But Love demands justice. How would God be showing love to the fatherless boy if he coddled the bastard who beat him?

In the NT, Peter started a community. That community was communist in the true sense. In came a couple of capitalists, Anninias and Saphira. They were busted for practicing capitalism in the heart of Gods community. God struck them dead. The Christian God of the NT, the God of love, struck them dead.

And they deserved it. That's what Love demands.

Jesus preached the God of the OT, as did Paul. But their teachings clarified much that was obscured by the Jews.

But people will convince themselves of whatever... here no different than in dubland past.

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Incredible document on the Watchtower and cognitive dissonance

by sabastious in

i recieved an awesome document in my youtube messages yesterday.

the person giving it told me it was the best description of the experience he had went through which involved entering and exiting the watchtower over the course of only a few years.. .

written by jamie boyden [<--not sabastious] sunday, 08 february 2009 14:19. .

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I don't know that everyone in dubland can be helped to see the light, but I know how I have helped some.

In a one-on-one situation, I have helped get some out. But that is not always possible.

What has otherwise proven effective is a carefully crafted letter sent to a dub in the mail.

As brought out in the OP with the article quoting Watchtower counsel, dubs don't read that stuff. Yep, I get that. After 50 years in the cult, I understand that.

.... unless you carefully craft it and send it to all their neighbors too. And when I say "carefully craft it" I mean construct it with their neighbors as the audience, and craft it so that when the dub opens it, they understand right off that this was sent to their whole neighborhood.

They'll read it.

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"Hey Mister" by The Rutles makes great reference to JWs

by Zaccheus in

i was awakened this morning by our barking dogs at the front door, and thought the worst.

fortunately, no door-knocking delusional hippies in ties, just neighbors telling us a bird was caught in our garage.

phew.

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Good beat

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Elders getting burnt up.

by biblexaminer in

the elders in this area are getting burned out.

i have overheard comments that demonstrate this, but in my dealings with them, i clearly see it.

they can't keep it straight.

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How pathetic. I got a text from the COBE today asking if my son could take the arrangement, and at the hall no less.

Usually he asks me to take it. But today, he knows, I'm off the grid. So, instead he asks me in a text if my son can do it.

First, my son is not an MS. He was passed over because he went to school.

Second, why the hell are you asking papa? For gods sake, he's old enough to take the group, why the hell don't you ask him?!?!?!!!!

Now, I am the biggest "apostate" in town, hands down. The shiFt I've been up to...wooo

And all they got is to ask me... and if my son can do it!! (insert expletive)

We went through the list of possible elders and ms's in the congo, and we can't believe that in two groups slated to meet at the hall this am that the almost TEN appointed ones can't do it.

TEN

I get asked all the time lately to take the group, and I almost always say no, because I have XYZ...

You can really see it coming apart

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Funny event at the Memorial celebration

by DaPriest in

for this award, i would like to nominate something that happened in berlin south english, again.we all have seen people that try to disrupt the memorial celebration, and this is not amusing at all.

its quite sad.

what is amusing is when the disruption occurs from within.an incident occurred once, when a brother was passing the bread around.

biblexaminer

What JWs practice is far removed from Christ. The event is supposed to be a sharing. It was meant to add cohesion to the church, impressing on the minds and hearts of participants that they were all to be one. It was to be done often, as often as gatherings occurred.

They would share a cup as they would share their lives and their belongings.

Why would I want to be in a roomful of unbelievers and share a cup.

Why would any supposedly authentic "anointed JWs" want to be in a room where the public is invited, heathens and unbelievers who might drink the cup with me?

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Old Watchtower Literature

by biblexaminer in

somewhere, somewhen, a dubb died.... waiting for the end no doubt.

when they died, they left their precious watchtower literature to somebody else, another dubb.. and that dubb also waiting for the end, living some austere life as they hovered over their precious and aging watchtower library, eventually died.. and again.

and again.. eventually, the last dubb to die left their bound 'salvation' to the congregation, who put it on a shelf, never to be read again.. and that's where i came in.. watchtower bound volume originals from the 1800's and others.. very old.. the watchtower .

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I have several copies of Vol 1 & 2 I believe and I have Pastor Russels Sermons that my dad used to carry around at work in his pocket as he 'preached the truth' LOL

You should hear him talk now.

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Day 5 - Fessler vs. Watchtower – Ends: Plaintiff settles in Jehovah’s Witness Child Abuse Trial

by darkspilver in

day 5 in court - and apparently the plaintiff stephanie fessler has decided to settle..... http://www.pennlive.com/news/2017/02/jehovahs_witness_sexual_abuse.html.

jehovah's witness sexual-abuse-coverup lawsuit settled.

february 13, 2017 at 2:37 pm, updated february 13, 2017 at 2:44 pm.

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If every now and again, one of the abused takes the loot and helps the others, then others can sacrifice themselves and drag it out to the finale attracting public attention.

I just hope that there is some cooperation going on and some sharing.

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Old Watchtower Literature

by biblexaminer in

somewhere, somewhen, a dubb died.... waiting for the end no doubt.

when they died, they left their precious watchtower literature to somebody else, another dubb.. and that dubb also waiting for the end, living some austere life as they hovered over their precious and aging watchtower library, eventually died.. and again.

and again.. eventually, the last dubb to die left their bound 'salvation' to the congregation, who put it on a shelf, never to be read again.. and that's where i came in.. watchtower bound volume originals from the 1800's and others.. very old.. the watchtower .

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Jaydee

Yes, those are the ones. In the picture I see vol 4,5 etc. I don't have past vol 3, but I think I might get more.

In any case, the first 3 volumes are incredibly important as they demonstrate what needs to be demonstrated.

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Old Watchtower Literature

by biblexaminer in

somewhere, somewhen, a dubb died.... waiting for the end no doubt.

when they died, they left their precious watchtower literature to somebody else, another dubb.. and that dubb also waiting for the end, living some austere life as they hovered over their precious and aging watchtower library, eventually died.. and again.

and again.. eventually, the last dubb to die left their bound 'salvation' to the congregation, who put it on a shelf, never to be read again.. and that's where i came in.. watchtower bound volume originals from the 1800's and others.. very old.. the watchtower .

biblexaminer

Somewhere, somewhen, a dubb died.... waiting for the end no doubt.

When they died, they left their precious Watchtower literature to somebody else, another dubb.

And that dubb also waiting for the end, living some austere life as they hovered over their precious and aging Watchtower library, eventually died.

And again. And again. And again.

Eventually, the last dubb to die left their bound 'salvation' to the congregation, who put it on a shelf, never to be read again.

And that's where I came in.

Watchtower Bound Volume originals from the 1800's and others.

Very old.

THE WATCHTOWER

VOL1 1879-1887

VOL2 1888-1895

VOL3 1896-1900

I added them to my personal and growing Watchtower Library 'of a different purpose'.

It is important, I feel, to see the Watchtower's false prophecies and literary lunacy from the actual books they are stored in.

As time permits, I would like to photograph the pertinent pages of putrid and pukeworthy palaver so that they can be viewed by the most doubting of Thomasess

I want to find a plastic clown, not a large one, so that I can put it on the page with the scholarly words to be shared, to give perspective.

I'll have to find a place to put this collection of paleotheology (not a word BTW)

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Refuting Watchtarded Reasoning - 2. Does the use of "abstain" at Acts 15:29, necessitate avoiding more than just the eating of blood?

by Island Man in

in my first post refuting watchtarded reasoning - 1.

"if a doctor tells you to abstain from alcohol, you wouldn't inject it..." steve and several other posters made the pertinent point that when the blood-alcohol analogy is refuted, jws will simply fall back on the reasoning that the use of the word "abstain" means to avoid taking it in by any means.

since this is indeed another common line of watchtarded reasoning used by jws, i've decided to make it the subject of this, my next refutation.. abstain is indeed a word with somewhat of a broad meaning, or more accurately, a broad usage.

biblexaminer

To go head to head with a dub on the blood thing. Easy peezy.

Ask them,

"Is the Watchtower 1985 4/15 p.12 par. 11 correct and fair when it equates blood transfusions as being "as serious a moral wrong as illicit sex relations." in its explanation of Acts 15:20, that "blood" and "fornication" are mentioned together in the Scriptures, thus these two sins being equal...?

Make sure they know that you have made a direct quote.

They will defend Watchtower and its teaching.

Then say,

"The Watchtower also teaches that taking many blood fractions is okay for Christians today. Therefore, is it then just as okay to have fractions of fornication?

Conversation over.