Posts by biblexaminer

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"Forced" study with an Elder - The first question i will pose, help appreciated.

by CitizenofEarth in

hello folks.

as some of you might know my dad couldnt keep quiet about my view of the world, so i have been "forced" to study with an elder.

otherwise i would be dragged to questioning, which is to much pressure for a young inexperienced person like me.

biblexaminer

If you are financially dependent on your folks, then you are stuck. Watchtower makes good use of economic pressure. Once a youth is able to fend for themselves, true freedom follows.

But if you want to talk, then the chief thing that you will be faced with is the blood doctrine and the outsiders who will question you on this topic. This is the most powerful topic, and the fact that it is so controversial means that you have a valid excuse to bring it up. Outsiders will inquire from you an answer.

"My teacher asked me how it is that we can't participate in the blood drive because blood must be 'poured out' according to our beliefs, but at the same time we are allowed to have blood fractions which are produced with donated blood from these same drives?"

No way out for the elder.

But understand first that you start a war with this. You nail them to the wall, and on every nail is written the word hypocrite.

You don't want a war? Then refer back to the first sentence.

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Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses launches worldwide campaign againt Russia

by jwleaks in

jehovah's witnesses mobilize global response to threat of ban in russia.

march 21, 2017. https://www.jw.org/en/news/releases/by-region/russia/jw-mobilize-global-response-to-threat-of-ban/.

new york—threatened with an imminent ban on their worship in russia, jehovah’s witnesses are responding with a direct appeal to kremlin and supreme court officials for relief through a global letter-writing campaign.

biblexaminer

WELCOME TO RUSSIA

Activities that are BANNED.

1) Theft

2) Murder

3) Running a confidence scheme involving the use of religion to convince people to sign over their worldly goods and then refuse medical treatment causing DEATH.

4) Child molestation and the conspiracy to cover it up..

5) Using religion to manipulate persons with false information.

6) Strong arming your neighbours with the use of religion to shun whistleblowers including family members.

7) Self aggrandizement.

8) Uttering false prophecy to aid in a confidence scheme.

9) Slander of the Devine.

10) Public lying.

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Scriptures that now have such a different meaning?!

by stuckinarut2 in

it struck me that so many of the scriptures that the society uses to condemn others, can actually apply to them!.

when we read them without the application that the society enforces, they can make you have that "ah-ha!

" moment.... for instance, how about:.

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The most important chapter. Matthew 24...

Jesus did NOT give a "composite sign". Instead, he gave an ANTI-SIGN.

Jesus warned not to listen to doomsayers of the first century. Earthquake and war were meaningless.

Mt. 24:4 Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you. 5 For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah,’ and will deceive many. 6 You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7 Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom.There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are the beginning of birth pains.

:: In the first century, to compare something to "birth pains" meant that the thing compared was a non-event. The birth was the anticipated event, not the cramps. This is in harmony with the context. Jesus didn't want his followers to panic and flee Jerusalem prematurely.

The foundation for Watchtower's chief doctrine is demonic.

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"Overlapping Generation" is a "Spiritual Generation" - a letter to the governing body

by jwleaks in

11 march 2017. dear governing body of jehovah's witnesses,.

could you please introduce the phrase "spiritual generation" to replace the phrase "overlapping generation".

it would save us all a lot of confusion.. an online search of your publications dating back to 2000 showed that this term has never been used.. http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/s/r1/lp-e?q="spiritual+generation"&p=par.

biblexaminer

It doesn't even matter anymore. The Goblin Brothers don't even have to make sense.

Just fill the page with words and end it with "this is how it is now"...

ANYTHING can be taught to the dub population at this point. All the have to do is speak it and then remind everyone of Matthew 24

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Jehovah will clean his house first...

by tor1500 in

jw
friends

with all the stuff going on in the org.

that is not being said, many of the friends say, well, jehovah will clean his house first....with all this religious hiding of child abuse...what denomination was exposed/cleaned first...although they were forced they were exposed and many still go to these places of worship.

so are the jw really god's chosen channel.

biblexaminer

I think clarification is in order.

It is incorrect to say "Jehovah will clean up his house first..."

It would be correct to say, instead, that "Jesus will clean up the Jehovahz houses"

In other words, when Jesus comes, He'll clean it up all right, with fire.

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Australian Child Abuse Royal Commission - Jehovah's Witnesses and Watchtower to appear on 10 March 2017

by jwleaks in

latest date just published for case study 54, jehovah's witnesses and watchtower.

the public hearings will commence friday 10 march 2017 at the child abuse royal commission's hearing rooms in sydney.. http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/10908a67-70c5-4103-94cc-dac096fdb585/case-study-54,-march-2017,-sydney.

the scope and purpose of the public hearing is to inquire into:.

biblexaminer

They will ask Watchtower biggies "What changes have you made?" ...to which they will reply "We don't remember... er... can't recall... ah we don't have that information because we just do a little translation work"

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Their lamps are going out.

by biblexaminer in

everyone here has read mt.

25 and knows the illustration of the virgins with the lamps.

i have mentioned this illustration in conversation with several dubbies, to draw attention to their foolishness in following watchtower's false reasoning.. in the illustration, there are two kinds of virgins, or people.

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Just heard that there's going to be some chopping of elders in our congo. Lights are dimming.

One is very old. His lamp has no problem financially, as he was 'up there' in the wage area in 'Satan's world' due to getting education and a good position in a booming business years ago, before the Watchtower was so diligent in snuffing out lamps.

Another elder that looks slated for the heap just moved here to serve blah blah blah, and they heaped the work on him. He is stretched financially. He had big dreams.

Funny thing when you live your life like a foolish virgin, you fall down a lot more in the dark.

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Does Paul preach a fundamentally different religion than Jesus?

by Yesu Kristo Bwana Wangu in

controversy has arisen regarding jesus versus paul as scholars debate the different emphases and messages of jesus and paul.1 jesus preached the kingdom of heaven.

paul did not.

paul preached justification by faith alone.

biblexaminer

People will chose to believe that which they want to believe. Most often, that which agrees with their lifestyle.

Are there "differences" between the OT and NT. Sure. But the Bible has endured thousands of years of tinkering, starting with the Jews and then the "Christian" church.

But, the idea that God was ruthless in the OT and snugly bugly in the NT is preposterous.

God is Love. But Love demands justice. How would God be showing love to the fatherless boy if he coddled the bastard who beat him?

In the NT, Peter started a community. That community was communist in the true sense. In came a couple of capitalists, Anninias and Saphira. They were busted for practicing capitalism in the heart of Gods community. God struck them dead. The Christian God of the NT, the God of love, struck them dead.

And they deserved it. That's what Love demands.

Jesus preached the God of the OT, as did Paul. But their teachings clarified much that was obscured by the Jews.

But people will convince themselves of whatever... here no different than in dubland past.

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Incredible document on the Watchtower and cognitive dissonance

by sabastious in

i recieved an awesome document in my youtube messages yesterday.

the person giving it told me it was the best description of the experience he had went through which involved entering and exiting the watchtower over the course of only a few years.. .

written by jamie boyden [<--not sabastious] sunday, 08 february 2009 14:19. .

biblexaminer

I don't know that everyone in dubland can be helped to see the light, but I know how I have helped some.

In a one-on-one situation, I have helped get some out. But that is not always possible.

What has otherwise proven effective is a carefully crafted letter sent to a dub in the mail.

As brought out in the OP with the article quoting Watchtower counsel, dubs don't read that stuff. Yep, I get that. After 50 years in the cult, I understand that.

.... unless you carefully craft it and send it to all their neighbors too. And when I say "carefully craft it" I mean construct it with their neighbors as the audience, and craft it so that when the dub opens it, they understand right off that this was sent to their whole neighborhood.

They'll read it.

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"Hey Mister" by The Rutles makes great reference to JWs

by Zaccheus in

i was awakened this morning by our barking dogs at the front door, and thought the worst.

fortunately, no door-knocking delusional hippies in ties, just neighbors telling us a bird was caught in our garage.

phew.

biblexaminer

Good beat