Posts by biblexaminer

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Just got back from Field Service

by biblexaminer in

i had to work with an elder in fs today.

there was no way out.. this elder is from africa somewhere, right off the boat.

how do they view children?.

biblexaminer

I had to work with an elder in FS today. There was no way out.

This elder is from Africa somewhere, right off the boat. How do they view children?

So, this 'brother' and I took along his 8 year old son. We will call the elder Brother B. Or Bro B for short.

So, Bro B knocks on the door like a little girl. As I watched him, I thought 'buddy your son can knock much harder than that'.

He waited about ten seconds and turns to leave. This was his modus operandi. Door after door.

Finally, after a householder told us to get lost, he put his 8 year old son out front. He forced the kid in front of the door.

The poor kid was squirming. Now, Bro B knocks for his son and he bangs real hard.

I thought, so he knows how to knock after all...!

The guy comes to the door and Bro B looks down and to the right. Bro B doesn't want to face the householder.

The householder asks what we want, and Bro B stays silent, looking down and to the right. His kid, who is naturally quiet, doesn't even talk to me, never mind strangers. Of course the boy stands there paralyzed.

Awkward silence.

Finally, Bro B answers in a lame fashion, not even raising his eyes as he stares down at the porch to his right.

The householder says "we are too busy" and Bro B turns to run. Leaves his boy standing there.

This SOB coward used his son like that for the next three doors.

My heart sank. I thought of the days when my own son was that old, and how protective i was of him. I made sure he never had to face any of that kind of garbage. I kept him out of the way. Protected.

I stopped service right there. I had no choice. I had an attack and I had to medicate.

In the car, I had choice words for Bro B as I headed home to get medicated.

You can guess what I called Bro B.

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Two witness rule.

by biblexaminer in

i advocate this line of questioning against watchtower's policy.. 1) ask watchtower's lawyers for the number of on-file cases of sexual molestation of a minor within watchtower's records.. (if watchtower's lawyers refuse to give the exact number, then inquire if the number is "too large to count" and make sure that this statement, "a number too large to count" is repeated enough times so as to establish 'a life of its own'.

it should then be established, using ample watchtower literature, that watchtower keeps accurate records of the entire number of publishers, pioneers, auxiliary pioneers, elders, congregations, kingdom halls, assembly halls and a myriad other things on an ongoing basis throughout the entire organization worldwide and present this as a dichotomy).

2) ask watchtower lawyers for the number, even 1, of cases where the divine "two witness" rule employed by watchtower actually worked to the satisfaction of law enforcement.. ( i would like to read of the case where brother crap and brother piss sat there and watched as brother vile raped a child, and how this was brought to a satisfactory conclusion.).

biblexaminer

Is there even 1 example?

I advocate this line of questioning against Watchtower's policy.

1) Ask Watchtower's lawyers for the number of on-file cases of sexual molestation of a minor within Watchtower's records.

(If Watchtower's lawyers refuse to give the exact number, then inquire if the number is "too large to count" and make sure that this statement, "a number too large to count" is repeated enough times so as to establish 'a life of its own'. It should then be established, using ample Watchtower literature, that Watchtower keeps accurate records of the entire number of publishers, pioneers, auxiliary pioneers, elders, congregations, Kingdom Halls, assembly halls and a myriad other things on an ongoing basis throughout the entire organization worldwide and present this as a dichotomy)

2) Ask Watchtower lawyers for the number, even 1, of cases where the divine "two witness" rule employed by Watchtower actually worked to the satisfaction of Law Enforcement.

( I would like to read of the case where Brother Crap and Brother Piss sat there and watched as Brother Vile raped a child, and how this was brought to a satisfactory conclusion.)

Just one.

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Kentucky Today: "Religious freedom dying in Russia, missionary says"- Baptists also are the true religion because they are persecuted too

by AndersonsInfo in

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friends

http://kentuckytoday.com/stories/religious-freedom-dying-in-russia-missionary-says,7267.

may 2, 2017. oryol, russia (bp) - russia's nationwide outlaw of jehovah's witnesses will likely ricochet and strike other religions outside of russian orthodoxy there, said a baptist missionary forced to shut down his church in central russia.. "the repression that has already started, in my opinion, it is likely to continue to get worse," donald ossewaarde told baptist press april 27th by telephone from his home in oryol.

"i don't see any sign that the russian government is having a change of heart.".

biblexaminer

If action against JWs takes place, even legitimate action because they broke the law for example, then its persecution. And the beginning of persecution is a sign from God that JWdom is God's blessed people.

If action against JWs comes to an end, then it's a sign from God that JWdom is God's blessed people, He having brought it to an end.

And we try to "reason" with them.

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what is the rarest JW book?

by dogon in

what is the rarest jb book ever printed?

i just bought a copy of the finished mystery and it can be a bit rare.

but i bet there are others much more rare.

biblexaminer

I have one called "Pastor Russell's Sermons"

Its a pocket sized book.

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The weekly Watchtower LIE

by biblexaminer in

watchtower magazine feb. 2017 study ed.

page 25 paragraph 8. studied at all kingdom halls worldwide in the last week of april 2017. https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/watchtower-study-february-2017/who-is-leading-gods-people-today/.

8 in the late 19th century, charles taze russell … zion’s watch tower tract society … with brother russell as president.

biblexaminer

Drearyweather

You began with a false statement and then went on to build on that false premise.

:The statements given in the WT are true.

Firstly, it is not "they"... "statements" -plural, it is A statement, singular. And it is easy to put together two or more true statements, thus producing one big fat lie.

Sitting at US Customs in your car.

"I didn't put any drugs in my trunk and I don't have any guns today."

Standing in shackles before the judge who accuses you of lying, you explain "well your honor, I really didn't put any drugs in my trunk last year and I didn't have any guns that day."

I think you are going to prison.

He discerned that Christ would return invisibly and that “the appointed times of the nations” would end in 1914.

This is one, singular statement, and it is indeed quite false. And this singular statement is meant to be understood in the below manner

He discerned that Christ would return invisibly in 1914.

He discerned that “the appointed times of the nations” would end in 1914.

When I suggested that, 'if watchtower had their day in court', I in no way was suggesting that this nonsense would get past the judge. A court of law is a place designed to demonstrate falsehoods for what they are.

I meant only to say that Watchtower would try it, that is, that they would attempt to BS the court with that ridiculous twisting of facts to cover their collective backsides.

The below sentence continues the mind bending.

The above sentence does not tell that both the events happened in 1914.

Yes, it does, it most certainly does.

Watchtower never told the truth about Russell's early teachings until sites like this one 'outed' them. Once they were published, the Watchtower had no choice but to speak of it somewhere.

But that doesn't mean they want or ever wanted anyone to know it. They will wish to speak it quickly and move past it quickly and then return to filling everyone's mind with the lies once again.

It seems the 'brothers' have quite a short memory. Watchtower will then again focus on the misleading and false statements designed to make the rank & file slip back into their collective coma. That way they can foster the idea that, ...

"The Watchtower has consistently presented evidence to honesthearted students of Bible prophecy that Jesus’ presence in heavenly Kingdom power began in 1914." Watchtower1993 Jan 15 p.5

Thus, JWs can put full faith in their always, consistently correct governing body. Right?

Yes dreary, as in the 93' Watchtower lie above, the statement in question is also is a lie.

And for you to defend it in light of all the lies they have told over the years, of which you, I'm sure, are well aware, is disappointing.

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"Russian Supreme Court Renders Unjust Decision!" on JW Broadcasting

by The freewheeling in

(this is an attempt to translate something i wrote on my swedish website: sanningen om sanningen.

i do not hope it is all too bad translation, based on google translate)___________________.

the governing body has put out a video on jw broadcasting regarding there view on the events in russia.

biblexaminer

I wonder how many Russian "brothers" gave a huge sigh of relief that the Russian Government banned the Watchtower?

They can now be free Russians again.

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The weekly Watchtower LIE

by biblexaminer in

watchtower magazine feb. 2017 study ed.

page 25 paragraph 8. studied at all kingdom halls worldwide in the last week of april 2017. https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/watchtower-study-february-2017/who-is-leading-gods-people-today/.

8 in the late 19th century, charles taze russell … zion’s watch tower tract society … with brother russell as president.

biblexaminer

And Dreary, I will steal from your quote.

...the Bible Students spent decades pointing out that the year 1914 would be significant in fulfilling Bible prophecy.

I won't re-paste the link.

Yes Dreary, they spent decades, and they pointed to 1914, Dreary.

But the Watchtower was clear that 1914 was going to be ARMAGEDDON.

Is ARMAGEDDON "significant" ...? (see your quote again)

Sure. I bet it is. So I guess you are completely correct. And I am sure that all the brothers in the halls, when they read that the year 1914 was going to be significant in the eyes of the Bible Students, they completely understood that CT Russell was preaching a 1914 ARMAGEDDON doctrine. LOL LOL

And you want us to take you seriously.

And why was 1914 significant? The Governing Body wasn't even appointed (anymore) in 1914. It was 1919 in the latest dogma.

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The weekly Watchtower LIE

by biblexaminer in

watchtower magazine feb. 2017 study ed.

page 25 paragraph 8. studied at all kingdom halls worldwide in the last week of april 2017. https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/watchtower-study-february-2017/who-is-leading-gods-people-today/.

8 in the late 19th century, charles taze russell … zion’s watch tower tract society … with brother russell as president.

biblexaminer

Yes DREARY... we know how it's written and why. I think that most of us here have gathered, over the years, that Watchtower writes everything with a back door.

If it came to a day in court, the Watchtower would say, "well... the first part of the sentence is true... in its own right. And the second part is also true... in its own right."

The point is, it was compiled, on purpose, to give the impression to the reader that "The Watchtower has consistently presented..."

That's why I followed up with the Awake of 1973 quote (which I got from JWFACTS).

The intent, on the part of the Watchtower writers, was to make JWs in the Kingdom Halls BELIEVE that they should put faith in The WTBTS as it is "consistent".

If, when the study was taking place, you answered the question on this paragraph, and you added that fact, that indeed 1874 was the date... perhaps like this.

He discerned that Christ would return invisibly in 1874 and that “the appointed times of the nations” would end 40 years later in 1914.

I would love to have been there when you said that. It would have been golden. As the elders were disfellowshipping you in the back room, taking a strip off you for your spiritual potty mouth and for "disturbing the peace in the congregation" I would have come to you and asked, hey Dreary, what's the matter now? LOL

When you defend the indefensible on here, you open yourself up for all kinds of abuse.

You are a Watchtower troll. We see you.

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The weekly Watchtower LIE

by biblexaminer in

watchtower magazine feb. 2017 study ed.

page 25 paragraph 8. studied at all kingdom halls worldwide in the last week of april 2017. https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/watchtower-study-february-2017/who-is-leading-gods-people-today/.

8 in the late 19th century, charles taze russell … zion’s watch tower tract society … with brother russell as president.

biblexaminer

Well, we all know that it's not a "slip up", it is quite intentional.

What Watchtower said prior to 1914	What Watchtower claims it said prior to 1914
"The year A.D. 1878 … clearly marks the time for the actual assuming of power as King of kings, by our present, spiritual, invisible Lord - …" The Time is At Hand (1911 ed) p.239	"The Watchtower has consistently presented evidence to honesthearted students of Bible prophecy that Jesus’ presence in heavenly Kingdom power began in 1914." Watchtower1993 Jan 15 p.5
"But bear in mind that the end of 1914 is not the date for the beginning, but for the end of the time of trouble. Zion's Watch Tower 1894 Jul 15 p.226	"Jehovah's witnesses pointed to the year 1914, decades in advance, as marking the start of "the conclusion of the system of things." Awake! 1973 Jan 22 p.8

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The weekly Watchtower LIE

by biblexaminer in

watchtower magazine feb. 2017 study ed.

page 25 paragraph 8. studied at all kingdom halls worldwide in the last week of april 2017. https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/watchtower-study-february-2017/who-is-leading-gods-people-today/.

8 in the late 19th century, charles taze russell … zion’s watch tower tract society … with brother russell as president.

biblexaminer

Watchtower keeps the lie alive, like a juggler.