According to Watchtower, Jesus is the cause of all the suffering on Earth. They teach as doctrine, that Jesus is using earthquakes, pestilence, war and any other suffering as a 'calling card' to demonstrate that he is secretly lurking in Earth's neighborhood.
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Satan & Disasters
by Hadriel inwas told by someone that a receipt article eluded to the fact that satan can cause natural disasters.
i don't see how i could have missed this.
doesn't anyone remember this?
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2016 Memorial Done & Dusted
by steve2 inwell on this side of the planet, the southern hemisphere/ new zealand, the 2016 memorial service in local kingdom halls will be over for another year.
another great big anticlimax.
some family and relatives will have gone - but unless i ask my sister, i generally have no idea about attendance and partaker numbers.
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biblexaminer
If one has occasion to ask an elder a question, ask him "where does the bible teach that Jesus instructed His fellow heirs to invite the public as spectators" -
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2016 Memorial Done & Dusted
by steve2 inwell on this side of the planet, the southern hemisphere/ new zealand, the 2016 memorial service in local kingdom halls will be over for another year.
another great big anticlimax.
some family and relatives will have gone - but unless i ask my sister, i generally have no idea about attendance and partaker numbers.
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biblexaminer
I was just over to the hall setting up. All things set up. The front row is reserved for the dog and pony show.
Tonight is the memorial.
Now, in past memorials, as a server, we were required to serve the hall, after which, we had to scurry to the front of the hall and seat ourselves in the first row. Now came the dog and pony show.
With all the server-bros sitting down, the brother at one end (me) would get up, serve the plate/cup to the row of servers starting from the other end of the row.
He (me) would then scurry back to the end of the row where he (me) was sitting to receive the plate/cup he (me) just served. The first brother-server who was just given the plate/cup first by me, quickly rose and was standing by my side to take it back.
Thus sayeth the gb.
I suppose the dog and pony will show up tonight likewise.
If you cannot step back and see this sanctimonious pomp for what it is, then God help you.
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Peace and Security!
by biblexaminer inwatchtower teaches that soon there will be a huge development that will be a sign for jehovah's witnesses!
5:3 the watchtower magazine, principle journal of jehovah's witnesses, writes.... however, just before that day of jehovah begins, world leaders will be saying “peace and security!” this may refer to one event or to a series of events.
https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/w20120915/world-end/#?insight[search_id]=2038590d-e4a0-4101-89db-27102bef34ba&insight[search_result_index]=19.
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Island man. You go ahead and shuffle the words and verses and chapters until you get whatever recipe your heart desires. -
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Leaving the JWs
by Hurting ini am 32 years and have recently left the organisation.
i got baptised in last feb. please excuse any typing errors i have dyslexia.
it has been so hard this year i have gone through so many ups and downs.
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biblexaminer
People that can switch off their feelings like a light are not the kind of people that you want to fill your life with.
That's the kind of people that WT breeds.
The watchtower is a witch's brew.
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Fleecing the Flock
by Coded Logic inat the last assembly i attended in 2005 the cost was $11,000 per day in yuba city (just over two hours away from our circuit).
this always seemed a bit high for a facility that was built on donated land and whose construction loan had been paid off for 20 years.. i just looked up the cost to rent the redding civic center, which is just as nice if not nicer and a whole lot closer for our circuit, and it only costs $2,500 a day plus $250 for consumables (parking included).
if it would save the brother's and sister's $8,250 a day and they could have the assembly locally why wouldn't they do it?.
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biblexaminer
How much does an assembly cost? Simple formula.
1) At the mid day announcements you will hear the attendance. Write it down.
2) At noon, the elders will meet to take a resolution. It goes like this "we have agreed on the normal figure of $12.00 and we agree to cover the cost of the Visiting Bethel Dude and the CO " (2 hotels rooms and meals)
3) Multiply the attendance by $12.00 and add the CO and Bethel Dude.
4) Voila
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Peace and Security!
by biblexaminer inwatchtower teaches that soon there will be a huge development that will be a sign for jehovah's witnesses!
5:3 the watchtower magazine, principle journal of jehovah's witnesses, writes.... however, just before that day of jehovah begins, world leaders will be saying “peace and security!” this may refer to one event or to a series of events.
https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/w20120915/world-end/#?insight[search_id]=2038590d-e4a0-4101-89db-27102bef34ba&insight[search_result_index]=19.
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Theoldhippie. There's a link in my post. A left click will take you there. -
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Peace and Security!
by biblexaminer inwatchtower teaches that soon there will be a huge development that will be a sign for jehovah's witnesses!
5:3 the watchtower magazine, principle journal of jehovah's witnesses, writes.... however, just before that day of jehovah begins, world leaders will be saying “peace and security!” this may refer to one event or to a series of events.
https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/w20120915/world-end/#?insight[search_id]=2038590d-e4a0-4101-89db-27102bef34ba&insight[search_result_index]=19.
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biblexaminer
IsLand man. You discard the bulk of what Paul said with that idea. It smacks of desperation.
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Peace and Security!
by biblexaminer inwatchtower teaches that soon there will be a huge development that will be a sign for jehovah's witnesses!
5:3 the watchtower magazine, principle journal of jehovah's witnesses, writes.... however, just before that day of jehovah begins, world leaders will be saying “peace and security!” this may refer to one event or to a series of events.
https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/w20120915/world-end/#?insight[search_id]=2038590d-e4a0-4101-89db-27102bef34ba&insight[search_result_index]=19.
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biblexaminer
Watchtower teaches that soon there will be a huge development that will be a sign for Jehovah's Witnesses! Regarding 1Thess. 5:3 the Watchtower magazine, principle journal of Jehovah's Witnesses, writes...
However, just before that day of Jehovah begins, world leaders will be saying “Peace and security!” This may refer to one event or to a series of events.
https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/w20120915/world-end/#?insight[search_id]=2038590d-e4a0-4101-89db-27102bef34ba&insight[search_result_index]=19
How will Jehovah's Witnesses know that it has happened? How will they know for sure that whatever events are reportedly taking place on planet Earth are the fulfillment of this "prophecy"?
Of course, " it will come out in the Watchtower" ...as so many have repeated for so very long.
Yes, JW's await the GB to write something to them via the Watchtower magazine. They wait. And wait.
Meanwhile, what did Paul actually write? Was it a prophecy of some future singular event, marking the beginning of some other event? The "end"...?
Or was it something else entirely?
Do Jehovah's Witnesses even read the Bible? At all? (hands thrown up)
In writing to the Thessalonians, as recorded in the context, Paul tells, at 1Thess 4:13-18, about the Lord's Day. The Thessalonians obviously wanted to know more about it, else why was he telling...
The Thessalonians must obviously have had the same superstitions that plagued most back then, superstitions that Jesus himself needed to dispel, as found at Matthew 24:4-7 where he began "Do NOT be misled"
What did Paul tell the Thessalonians? That they could expect a letter? A magazine... containing writings perhaps?
No! Paul said 1 Thessalonians 5:1
5 Now as for the times and the seasons, brothers, you need nothing to be written to you.
That's right. It's not write.
And why was there nothing to be written about the Lord's day? The next verse.2 For you yourselves know very well that Jehovah’s* day+ is coming exactly as a thief in the night.
If it's coming as a thief in the night, then what could you possibly write! (rhetorical)
So, what did Paul actually say?
3 Whenever it is that they are saying, “Peace and security!” then sudden destruction is to be instantly on them,+ just like birth pains on a pregnant woman, and they will by no means escape.
Yes, stop looking for signs! "Whenever" as in multiple and always, ...NOT 'when' as in a singular event...
Whenever they say peace ...THERE'S WAR and there's no way out for them any more than a woman about to give birth can avoid what is taking place in her own body.So how can there be any indicators or signs in the political process when whatever they say... the OPPOSITE HAPPENS.
So, Jehovah's Witnesses need to STOP waiting for something to be "written to them" via the Watchtower or any other rag.
The Lord's day "is coming exactly as a thief in the night".
NOTHING CAN BE WRITTEN. NOTHING WILL BE WRITTEN.
Paul went on.
4 But you, brothers, you are not in darkness, so that the day should overtake you as it would thieves, 5 for you are all sons of light and sons of day.+ We belong neither to night nor to darkness.
Paul DID NOT say that Christians would, or would not, be taken over by thieves. He said they would not be taken over by "the day" in the same manner as the day would take over thieves.
The "day" will be a surprise to all, God loving Christians and thieves alike. But when it arrives, the thieves will feel different about it than would Christians.
Illustration.
If your employer shows up to inspect, he find some working, some sleeping. Those caught working are surprised, but happy. Those caught sleeping less happy. You think....
So Paul admonishes Christians in verses 6-8 to keep awake. The Lord's day will come as a surprise to all, but "the day should [not] overtake you as it would thieves.This said, Jehovah's Witnesses will continue holding out hope that something 'will be written to them' about the "times and seasons", and they will continue on, sure that they have 'the edge' on everybody else.
Paul be damned.
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The Watchtower Org will die.
by Freeandclear ini was just reading through some posts and had a startling realization.. the comment that sparked this went something like this: why oh why when i started into this in 1989 did i not research the history of the wtbts?
etc....... i too was studying and moving towards baptism around that same time.
i got dunked in dec of 1990.. my thought.
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biblexaminer
Mrmagic ....good post!