bc news online provides excerpts of the letter left by mark barton in the house where he killed his wife and two young children before murdering nine others in downtown atlanta.
july 29, 1999 .
to whom it may concern, .
It's sad no one recognized this guy's behaviour before all this happpened. If he was studying with the jws (as I've heard) he just put himself into a truly hopeless situation. I doubt if anyone encouraged him to seek professional help.
Peace,
Bigboi
"..... anyone who ignores everyday reality in order to live up to an ideal will soon discover he had been taught how to destroy himself, not how to preserve himself." The Prince. Niccolo Machiavelli.
"i love my parents more than anything.
they gave me unconditional love.
they said, 'son, we love you whether you succeed or fail.
Terraly:
I tend to agree with your assessment of the situation. How can you show unconditional love without accepting whomever wants to avail themselves of your mercy? Anything less than doing that would be conditional. i guess that's why the WTS prefers translate it undeserved kindnes. Slick aren't they.
Peace:
Bigboi
[i]"..... anyone who ignores everyday reality in order to live up to an ideal will soon discover he had been taught how to destroy himself, not how to preserve himself." The Prince. Niccolo Machiavelli[i/]
i was in the philippines some time ago.
the big religion there is a group called `iglesia ni cristo`(literally church of christ).
an indigenous group which sprung up around the turn of the century.. it has since become hugh(in the philippines).
to say that white people think more logically than ppl of other races and ethnic groups, just makes me think that this dude Pathofthorns needs to get out more. I mean for most of their history until very recently most JW's were of a European descent, and history is full of "white" ppl getting all riled up and emotional and doing some seriuos damage i.e. crusades, holocaust etc.... I feel the main reasons ppl in third world countries latch on to religions is because it gives them a boost in their dreary lives. i mean take any one of us well off first-worlders and put us in one of those poor disease infested countries and our whole outlook on life will probably change.
When you are poor and starving often times you look for something else to help you cope with your problems. Being poor humbles a person because then you realize just how vunerable you are to things like sickness, hunger, etc...
Here in Western Civilization we have many recourses to sickness, hunger and things like it. Even the poor amongst us do too. But when you don't have any other recourse, whom do you look to?
Peace,
Bigboi
[i]"..... anyone who ignores everyday reality in order to live up to an ideal will soon discover he had been taught how to destroy himself, not how to preserve himself." The Prince. Niccolo Machiavelli[i/]
what if theres a catholic in love with a witness?
this aint me or nothing just someone i know.
just send some feed back.
Hey Law:
Well this situation sounds somewhat similar to my own. About 3yrs ago i met this lovely young girl. i was a witness in good standing and she is still a Baptist who is very active in her local church. However i must say I ws already looking for a way out when she came along and this relationship really hastened it, for it confirmed what i had been felling in my hear t about the org. It was way too controling and the percieved "spiritually weak" ones were really not given any helpful admonition, but were intimidated throught the platform and word of mouth to follow the status quo.
i think if a witness chooses to have a relationship with a member of another religion the relationship is doomed to fail because of the pressure that will be brought on it. For instance, friends will be counseled not to associate with you and your partner( although it is up to them whether they will or won't). If the person is still an active witness then questions about holidays, field service and the blood issue will undoubtably arise. For the active witness the decision concernng these issues has already been made and no compromise is possible.
It maybe somewhat different for sisters but for me those were my biggest points of contention, because when I left I still shared many ot the WTS's beliefs. My relationship was stil good though because my girl is very loving, tolerant and understanding. She also posesses a strong Faith and those ualities in addition to many others has led me to a deep admiration of her.
If your friend wants to continue to be an active witness it will be hard. But as long as he really loves her they will be able to weather all the storms. But one of the two will have to be openminded enough to make some real changes.
Peace:
Bigboi
[i]"..... anyone who ignores everyday reality in order to live up to an ideal will soon discover he had been taught how to destroy himself, not how to preserve himself." The Prince. Niccolo Machiavelli[i/]
"i love my parents more than anything.
they gave me unconditional love.
they said, 'son, we love you whether you succeed or fail.
Hey All:
Unfortunately the ideal of unconditional love is used by the WTS to control it's members. To say that the disciplines it forces on its follwers is an example of love makes an otherwise naturally una ppealing practice seem plausible in dealing with a wayward member of the org. And that is simply what it is all about CONTROL, as most of us here already know undoubtably.
I think most mainstream churches far outshine the WTS in their practice of this ideal. But at the same time it is what most ppl condemn traditional churches for the most as this is taken sometimes as a being too permissive in allowing immoral practices. Maybe this is getting off the subject a little, but where do you draw the difference between showing unconditional love and being too permissive in matters of conduct?
Hmmmmmm?
Bigboi
[i]"..... anyone who ignores everyday reality in order to live up to an ideal will soon discover he had been taught how to destroy himself, not how to preserve himself." The Prince. Niccolo Machiavelli[i/]
hello again friends!.
well it was time again for me to take my weekly dose of apostate faeces and see what it tastes like.
decided to check out randy watters this time (we all love him here) and his little testimony on freeminds.org, titled "what happened at bethel in 1980?
Yes Still:
Another thing perhaps you regard yourself as he Great Immune Teacher of us apostates here. but maybe after a few more yrs of service to Jehovah he'll let u in oo the meaning of the scriptures at 2Tim.2:23-26. Look it up why don't cha.
Peace:
Bigboi
well most of its been fun guys and gals.. but i'm outta here.
i am much happier thinking about other things.
i just realized that as long as i keep coming here i am still a slave of the watchtower.. big farewell hugs.
Hey joelbear:
I'm sorry to hear you say you're going to leave the site. I understand that this is something you feel you need to do and i support that. My feelings are a little confused when stuff like this happens. i know people have to do what they think is right and what best suites them so don't get me wrong. I'm not crticizing your decision. I just think that those fools in the Tower injected with some kind of bridge-burning serum. it seems too many of us have this leaving complex that's messed up our ability to trust.
Anywho I wish you much success and happiness in your life JB. Be cool
Stay up!
Peace:
Bigboi
hello again friends!.
well it was time again for me to take my weekly dose of apostate faeces and see what it tastes like.
decided to check out randy watters this time (we all love him here) and his little testimony on freeminds.org, titled "what happened at bethel in 1980?
Hey All:
And after ALL this digging and going through the vast volumes of anti-JW literature, I began to see light shining from the Bible. I watched as most of my material fell to pieces, exposed as lies or exaggeration or just twisting the truth.. or clearly unscriptural garbage (like Randy's stuff) .. the rest of the Society's flaws was due to human imperfection. I realized that the JWs were by no means perfect - but closest to what the Bible teaches, definitely standing out from the sea of Jesus-churches and church-state hybrids out there. I studied the trinity for months, tried to prove it (had Rob Bowman's "Why you should believe in trinity" with me to help) but couldn't. Can't prove what ain't in the Bible.So I became a publisher. First an opposer - seen all the internet sites - now a baptized Jehovah's servant.
This was to you who don't know my story yet. I've posted about it before. So don't gimme the "read Crisis of Conscience then come back" 'cause I've done it, and it failed to impress me.
So I'm an exception. I've developed immunity.
Still if all the above is true then why do you feel the need to come here to publish news that no one wants to hear, is interested in or has decided with their God-given conscience is not truth?
Any answer would be greatly appreciated
Peace:
bigboi
could you tell me why society has stopped selling parking tickets for the conventions or distric assemblies?
Hey guys:
Thanks! When did this start though? Was it recently? I don't remember ever being asked to pay any parking fees.
okay, so you all probably know this but i just discovered it and being the sharing kind of guy i am i'm going to let you all in on it.. you know how when you come here with a specific thread in mind that you want to respond to it can take an irritating 30 seconds or more to track it down?.
well if you right-click on the topic title you will be able to save it directly to your ie favorites folder or to your desktop or hard drive!
(i'd create a new folder there first).. call me a geek and spank me senseless but i think that's pretty cool!.
I'm in:
Hey Prica I've never been spanked. I guess I'm still sorta young and inexperienced ya know? Lookin for anymore new recruits besides Ol' Nick. Huh? Huh?
Eagerly waiting,
Bigboi
