So do men (edited) mind if someone calls them a bitch or from another viewpoint, call their sister, mother, wife a bitch. Or call them a "son of a bitch"? Probably not.
Posts by blondie
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34New Massachusetts Bill ProposesTo Fine or Jail Someone For Calling Someone a Bitch!
by minimus inand if you call someone a bitch , you would be fined 150 dollars the first offense and second is 200 plus possible jail time..
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January 2020 Watchtower - the anointed
by Listener init's very odd that the jan. 2020 watchtower was nearly 3 weeks later than normal.
another odd thing about this watchtower is that it has two articles (about the anointed) that is very similar to two articles they wrote only four years earlier.the fact that they have even reprinted two articles that are only four years old suggests that they continue to have numerous problems surrounding their teaching's of the anointed and problems with those claiming to be anointed.here are a few of the differences between both the 2016 and 2020 articles -2016 watchtower states.
anointed christians need to be taught by jehovah just like everyone else.. 2020 watchtower statesof course, anointed christians need to be taught by jehovah through the congregation just like everyone else.. four years ago, they acknowledged that it was only jehovah who were teaching the anointed but the newest watchtower now states that it is through the congregation.watchtower 2016 states there will be 144,000 ruling with jesus in heaven.
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blondie
Great catch, Listener. It made be starting thinking about what the WTS has taught in the past about the resurrection in 1918, the inspection of the temple in 1918, and how that impacts on the 1919 teaching. Here are a few thoughts, but not necessarily all.
I think the WTS is trying to distance itself from their interpretations of what happened in 1918 and tying them to their 1919 teachings, trying to solve the problem of proving their statements about 1919 with the scriptures. Remember I am only reporting not supporting these WTS ideas.
https://jwfacts.com/watchtower/1919-derived.php
Also, in checking the WT Online Library (WOL), I find fewer references about the "first resurrection" in connection with Revelation 20:6 as starting in 1918, since the 1990’s. A common technique of the WTS is to stop mentioning certain key teachings or editing them quietly rather than addressing the change directly.
Questions to consider:
Who came to” inspect the spiritual temple,” God or Jesus?
What was the time period of the inspection and does the WTS connect the end of the inspection with the resurrection of the already dead anointed in 1918?
Does the WTS teach any longer that the “first resurrection” started in the spring of 1918?
2017
(BL: In 2017 the WTS makes this statement without any mention of the "first resurrection" starting in 1918. This is a tactic of the WTS, using ambiguity to leave an opening for a clarification or an explanation for a change in doctrine.)
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/402017682?q=%22first+resurrection%22&p=sen
The first resurrection would occur sometime after Christ’s presence began.
In 2007 (paragraphs 12 and 13)
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2007006#h=1:0-55:0
At this point, it may be helpful to consider what might be viewed as a Bible parallel. Jesus Christ was anointed as the future King of God’s Kingdom in the fall of 29 C.E. Three and a half years later, in the spring of 33 C.E., he was resurrected as a mighty spirit person. Could it, then, be reasoned that since Jesus was enthroned in the fall of 1914, the resurrection of his faithful anointed followers began three and a half years later, in the spring of 1918? That is an interesting possibility. Although this cannot be directly confirmed in the Bible, it is not out of harmony with other scriptures that indicate that the first resurrection got under way soon after Christ’s presence began (BL: see rest of article for those scriptures)...Therefore, anointed Christians who died before Christ’s presence were raised to heavenly life ahead of those who were still alive during Christ’s presence. This means that the first resurrection must have begun early in Christ’s presence, and it continues “during his presence.” (1 Corinthians 15:23) Rather than occurring all at once, the first resurrection takes place over a period of time. (BL: this is slipped in there, because the WTS once taught that the first resurrection took place in 1918, not started to take place in 1918)
(A blast from the past (BL: In 1878 the WTS taught that Christ’s presence began in 1874 and began reigning in 1878, changed later to 1914)(see *Proclaimers book, 1993, quote at the end)
(BL: There are very few references in the WOL about the "first resurrection" mentioned at Revelation 20:6 but note these WTS comments in 1982 and 1960 and the "explaining" words in the brackets) If you find this confusing, so do I and I am sure jws today have no idea of the back and forth on the events in the spring of 1918, how many would remember this in 1982 or 1960).
1982
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1982247#h=6:0-14:721
The Scriptures link this “first resurrection” with Christ’s “presence [Greek, parousia].” (1 Corinthians 15:23) The apostle Paul writes: “The Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice and with God’s trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ [starting from the first century and up to Christ’s (BL: not God) coming to the spiritual temple in 1918] will rise first.” Paul then goes on to say that the anointed Christians “who survive to the presence [parousia] of the Lord,” and who therefore die during the parousia, will be immediately resurrected and “caught away in clouds to meet the Lord in the air.” (1 Thessalonians 4:14-17) They do not have to “sleep” in the grave, awaiting the resurrection. At death they are “changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye.”—1 Corinthians 15:51, 52, Revised Standard Version.
1960
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1960563?q=%22time+parallel%22&p=par
In a time parallel, Jesus Christ was enthroned as King in heaven A.D. 1914. Three and a half years later, or in 1918, would be the time for him (BL: note Jesus not God) to come to God’s spiritual temple. Would Christendom’s rulers receive him or reject him as King? They rejected him and showed it by killing the work of Jehovah’s witnesses concerning the Kingdom. Just as the Jewish leaders’ rejection of Jesus could not prevent God’s raising of his Son from the dead, so Christendom’s rejection of the King could not prevent God from raising Jesus’ faithful followers from the dead. So in harmony with the picture of 1900 years ago, it was only a short time after the temple’s cleansing in 1918 (BL: Was the temple cleansed in 1918 or 1919?) that the heavenly resurrection of the anointed Christians sleeping in death took place, unseen to human eyes. The nations were then at war: “‘But the nations became wrathful, and your own wrath came, and the appointed time for the dead to be judged’ . . . And the temple sanctuary of God that is in heaven was opened.” (Rev. 11:18, 19) The spring of A.D. 1918 marked the opening of the temple to the King’s entrance and thereafter the resurrection of the anointed Christians who, along with Jesus, make up “the temple of the living God.”—2 Cor. 6:16.
*1993 Proclaimers book
Presence 1874, Jesus assumed power 1878)
(History of jws: Proclaimers book, 1993, quote below)
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1101993039#h=67:0-67:669
Based on the premise that events of the first century might find parallels in related events later, they also concluded that if Jesus’ baptism and anointing in the autumn of 29 C.E. paralleled the beginning of an invisible presence in 1874, then his riding into Jerusalem as King in the spring of 33 C.E. would point to the spring of 1878 as the time when he would assume his power as heavenly King.* They also thought they would be given their heavenly reward at that time. When that did not occur, they concluded that since Jesus’ anointed followers were to share with him in the Kingdom, the resurrection to spirit life of those already sleeping in death began then. It was also reasoned that the end of God’s special favor to natural Israel down to 36 C.E. might point to 1881 as the time when the special opportunity to become part of spiritual Israel would close.*
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The "figurative" heart
by Sour Grapes inabout 25 years ago i gave a talk about how when the bible talks about the heart that it is the literal heart and how the heart and the brain are connected by nerve tissue.
the watchtower even stated that some people who received a heart transplant would take on some of the personality of the donor.then all of a sudden the borg changed and said that when the bible refers to the heart that it is figurative.
then when ever the watchtower referred to the heart it always put the word figurative in front of it.. does anyone know why there was a change in the use of the word heart?
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blondie
Not only that, at the convention I went to, the heart was beating and it went over the sound system.
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Sisters
by truthlover123 induring the first talk tonight, the brother giving the talk indicated that now comments were to include sisters!
previously mostly only brothers were mentioned in most prayers or comments - has anyone else heard this tonight?.
the meeting seemed to be positioned directly to and about sisters.
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blondie
RubaDub, if it was a cloth napkin no problem, but a paper napkin, paper towel, kleenex, etc., would be viewed as disrespectful even by non-jws.
As to the OP, I can remember back in the 60's and 70's, the WTS often said brothers when they meant brothers and sisters. In this more enlightened time, in general, non-jws use gender neutral words more, men and women, he/she, etc., and the WTS has followed suit in their publications. I am not surprised that perhaps some men might not see why it is so important to use words that include women.
I remember one anointed woman in the congregation, would say "brothers" under her breath whenever a man from the platform said "brothers" when he meant "brothers and sisters." That was in the early 60's. She was ahead of her time. She would have appreciated seeing this addressed officially, especially in regard to prayers.
For men who don't see why this makes many women feel left out and unimportant, try mentally putting just the word "women" in a sentence when it is obvious that both men and women are meant.
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Sisters
by truthlover123 induring the first talk tonight, the brother giving the talk indicated that now comments were to include sisters!
previously mostly only brothers were mentioned in most prayers or comments - has anyone else heard this tonight?.
the meeting seemed to be positioned directly to and about sisters.
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blondie
carla, the WTS policy is that women cannot teach baptized men in the congregation. There are many rules as to when they can teach others outside the congregation. Bible studies and on return visits or calling on at people's homes, they can teach non-jws. When jw women can pray at meetings held before going out and calling at people's home but with a headcovering because they are representing God in an official capacity (through arrangements by the elders). In some congregations there are not any qualified men, so some jw women, moderate congregation bible studies or discussions of the WT, and pray, all with a proper headcovering (not a napkin or similar) with the direction of a representative of the WT (such as the CO).
I am not supporting the WT rules/policies, just clarifying what they are officially. If someone were to say to a jw, that women are not allowed to teach anyone at all, it would give the jw an opportunity to point out this misunderstanding, and not address the issue that women are not respected even for the teaching they do calling on people at their homes.
The most important work, that Jesus said and the WTS highlights officially, is preaching and teaching. But the bulk of that is done by women, while the men concentrate on what they feel is more important, being an elder or ministerial servant, or having "privileges" not offered to women, giving public talks, parts on assemblies/conventions. In some cases, I have never see some elders/ministerial servants going with a group of jws in calling on people in their homes.
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First Xmas? Or older traditions? 🎄
by Theonlyoneleft inis anyone here doing their first xmas this year?🎄🎄.
i love xmas!
almost around the corner and i’ve started thinking of all the prep needed for family time.
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blondie
As some have said here, not all non-jws celebrate X-mas, perhaps the holidays without the religious connotation. But now it is our choice, no one is telling us we should or shouldn't. I know people who never go to a church on X-mas or talk about the so-called reIligious origin. Just a nice time to be with family you care about (I can see that some family members might not play nice). I like the lights, ours are white on our porch and trees in front (we don't have any evergreen trees. We do it the Disney way and have white lights up all year. We got our inflatable snowman this year, snowmen are not symbols of Christmas.
Can jws build snowmen?
*** g90 4/22 p.23***
My daughter, Bethel, was a gift from God rather late in life. We had a kind of storybook relationship. From the time Bethel was an infant, we did everything together. We crouched in fields to study Jehovah God’s artistic flair as we looked at the wildflowers. We made snowmen. —Charles Leibensperger
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Recommend a STEVE HASSAN book for me
by Zoos inmy nephew has awakened but is still at the beginning of his journey.
he doesn't want to leave his mother (my sister) behind and is trying to help her think critically.
(no chance of him being dfed because he was never baptized).
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blondie
Why not Steven Hassan's, first book to start with.
Combating Cult Mind Control, I can remember there were no specific mentions of the WTS/jws, just cults in general. I liked the BITE model and have used it not only to jws but also other people I have met that have left a cult.
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New Massachusetts Bill ProposesTo Fine or Jail Someone For Calling Someone a Bitch!
by minimus inand if you call someone a bitch , you would be fined 150 dollars the first offense and second is 200 plus possible jail time..
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blondie
Why only bitch? Why not certain swear words like the f word, or the c word, or other derogatory words about other body parts?
I haven't read the reason for why bitch was singled out, but I can't think of a reason why the reason would be valid or helpful. After all, who is going to enforce it when there are so many real crimes/problems that need attention.
The school system in Madison, WI, learned that arbitrary laws like "zero tolerance" and does not consider the circumstances, just makes a blanket rule and created an angry response from a large number of people that do not normally agree on other things.
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As a JW Did You Prefer a “Stricter” Congregation or a More Liberal One?
by minimus inin my experience, there were three types of witnesses.
some were barely witnesses while others were extremely conservative types who followed the letter of the law.
and then you had those in the middle who just went with the flow.. i knew many witnesses who “felt safe” being in a stricter environment.they were actually proud that they belonged to such and such congregation because it was filled with strict bethelites..
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blondie
Quite a few people did leave after the 1975 fiasco. In 2 years following 1975, 1977 and 1978, the WTS had a 2% decrease in both years. But then people started "forgetting" or realizing that making an issue, would mean being labeled an apostate, or put themselves in a position where they could not stay but felt uncomfortable staying (many PIMOs ?).
Then of course, new people came in and the WTS by that time had buried that fiasco, children of jws were born after that event which became history of long ago, and since it was no longer mentioned in the publications or talked about by their parents, the children had no reason to wonder about it. And if jws brought it up after that, they were looked at suspiciously.
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The "figurative" heart
by Sour Grapes inabout 25 years ago i gave a talk about how when the bible talks about the heart that it is the literal heart and how the heart and the brain are connected by nerve tissue.
the watchtower even stated that some people who received a heart transplant would take on some of the personality of the donor.then all of a sudden the borg changed and said that when the bible refers to the heart that it is figurative.
then when ever the watchtower referred to the heart it always put the word figurative in front of it.. does anyone know why there was a change in the use of the word heart?
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blondie
Yes, Pete Zahut, the WTS never apologizes, just says that the WT members ran ahead of the organization, that it was individual opinions when it is too clear what happened and those people lived through the events, and it is in black and white in the publications and talks from the platform they heard in person.
If that fails, they say the light is getting brighter and wait on their god to sort it out. I am still waiting.