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  Fleegle Calls The GB Meeting To Order

  by NotFormer in

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  i still can't believe that fleegle is a member of the gb!.

  here he is in prime form:.

  https://youtu.be/o0ow8rzc8i4?si=b4wulfd1hpkqhfop.

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  blondie

  I remember that show; it must have been a looong time ago.
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  Jehovah and Pleiades

  by James Brown in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  does anyone remember seeing old watchtowers in their kingdom hall library before they destroyed them all, of the watchtower annoucing jehovah from pleiades kingdom.

  i am 72 years old and i remeber seeing these old magazines somewhere..

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  blondie

  NotFormer, I was only 1 when that change was made. Some older witnesses from the pre-1953 time period were still alive then and did not seem to get the message, so it had to be made very, very clear. Vaccinations were allowed around 1950, but the WTS was very coy about revealing that. That is why this was changed in 1952. "

  ● Is vaccination a violation of God’s law forbidding the taking of blood into the system?—G. C., North Carolina.

  The matter of vaccination is one for the individual that has to face it to decide for himself. Each individual has to take the consequences for whatever position and action he takes toward a case of compulsory vaccination, doing so according to his own conscience and his appreciation of what is for good health and the interests of advancing God’s work. And our Society cannot afford to be drawn into the affair legally or take the responsibility for the way the case turns out.

  After consideration of the matter, it does not appear to us to be in violation of the everlasting covenant made with Noah, as set down in Genesis 9:4, nor contrary to God’s related commandment at Leviticus 17:10-14. Most certainly it cannot reasonably or Scripturally be argued and proved that, by being vaccinated, the inoculated person is either eating or drinking blood and consuming it as food or receiving a blood transfusion. Vaccination does not bear any relationship to or any likeness to the intermarriage of angelic “sons of God” with the daughters of men, as described in Genesis 6:1-4. Neither can it be put in the same class as described at Leviticus 18:23, 24, which forbids the mingling of humans with animals. It has nothing to do with sex relations.

  Hence all objection to vaccination on Scriptural grounds seems to be lacking." WT 1952 December 1952, p. 764

  (BTW, I knew some jws long after 1952 were still telling other jws that vaccinations were not allowed, probably why the WTS had to make it very clear that they were allowed, especially during the pandemic.
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  Stop Funding Watchtower in Canada!

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this is worth a look!.

  https://youtu.be/wxfczptd2n8?si=4jo-nuzmlvglbvkm.

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  blondie

  Diogenesister, religions in the US tend to believe that a privilege taken from one religion, could be taken away from all religions. That is why the WTS has attached itself to other court cases where religions are trying to protect themselves from something the WTS wants protection from, even if the WTS does not agree with that religion's religious beliefs. Did it before regarding charging for publications. That decision that that particular religion had to stop charging, is when the WTS had their members stopped charging for the publications, had to ask for a donation to the worldwide work. Many religious have tried to hide crimes behind that principle, that religions have special benefits. Like financial reports, the IRS here only requires a one page report from religious non-profits, while non-religious non-profits have to file a many-page report. Also, though many more people in the US seem to claim some specific affiliation. I understand that in other countries in Europe do not.
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  Is The GB Paranoid? And Should They Be?

  by NotFormer in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  the gb seems to have a bunker mentality, that they are special, and that the world is out to get them, so they tend to keep within their tightly controlled, protective environment.

  bottlegate proved that there is some danger outside of the rarified atmosphere of their echo chamber; you never know when a camera might be trained on you, or that someone might recognise you as being something more than plain old "joe citizen".

  further, tm3's new address was quickly found and distributed, and (as i understand it) someone drove to his gated community to tell the security guard that tm3's "ass is grass".

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  blondie

  NotFormer, I meant that the WTS applies that to themselves. They feel they can do no wrong, so it must be from Satan, not their god. The WTS applies that to themselves, not me.
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  smiddy3 & waton - Hope they are fine

  by Drearyweather in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  haven't heard from both of them since long.

  smiddy3 was in his 80's and waton in his 90's.

  hope they are fine.

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  blondie

  Smiddy told me he has lost the info he needed to get back on line. Perhaps Simon could help him. I don't have an e-mail and he can't reply to a pm on here. I do have his address if Simon wants it.
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  Jehovah and Pleiades

  by James Brown in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  does anyone remember seeing old watchtowers in their kingdom hall library before they destroyed them all, of the watchtower annoucing jehovah from pleiades kingdom.

  i am 72 years old and i remeber seeing these old magazines somewhere..

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  blondie

  "The face to the deep, of course, would be toward the Pleiades, which are claimed to be the habitation of Jehovah." Creation 1927 p.94

  The constellation of the Pleiades is a small one compared with others which scientific instruments disclose to the wondering eyes of man. But the greatness in size of other stars or planets is small when compared with the Pleiades in importance, because the Pleiades is the place of the eternal throne of God." Reconciliation p.14

  This doctrine was not discontinued until 1953.

  "Some attribute striking qualities to these constellations or star groups and on the basis of such they then offer private interpretations of Job 38:31, 32 that amaze their hearers. Their views are not always sound from the standpoint of astronomy, and when viewed Scripturally they are completely without foundation.... Hence it is useless to indulge in unprofitable speculations. Incidentally, Pleiades can no longer be considered the center of the universe and it would be unwise for us to try to fix God's throne as being at a particular spot in the universe. Were we to think of the Pleiades as his throne we might improperly view with special veneration that cluster of stars." Watchtower 1953 Nov 15 p.703

  
  
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  Is The GB Paranoid? And Should They Be?

  by NotFormer in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  the gb seems to have a bunker mentality, that they are special, and that the world is out to get them, so they tend to keep within their tightly controlled, protective environment.

  bottlegate proved that there is some danger outside of the rarified atmosphere of their echo chamber; you never know when a camera might be trained on you, or that someone might recognise you as being something more than plain old "joe citizen".

  further, tm3's new address was quickly found and distributed, and (as i understand it) someone drove to his gated community to tell the security guard that tm3's "ass is grass".

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  blondie

  2 Timothy 3:12

  In fact, all those desiring to live with godly devotion in association with Christ Jesus will also be persecuted.

  The WTS uses this scripture to show that if jws are doing the right thing, they will be persecuted. They should be rejoicing that the end is near, and this is proof. haha

  
  
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  Is there “new light” on 1914?

  by wallsofjericho in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i’m hearing paraphrasing like “we just don’t know” .

  is this regarding 1914?

  or micheal the arch angel?.

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  blondie

  The WTS has changed the timeline of 1914 several times starting:

  What Watchtower said prior to 1914	What Watchtower claims it said prior to 1914
  "The year A.D. 1878 … clearly marks the time for the actual assuming of power as King of kings, by our present, spiritual, invisible Lord - …" The Time is At Hand (1911 ed) p.239	"The Watchtower has consistently presented evidence to honesthearted students of Bible prophecy that Jesus’ presence in heavenly Kingdom power began in 1914." Watchtower 1993 Jan 15 p.5
  "But bear in mind that the end of 1914 is not the date for the beginning, but for the end of the time of trouble. Zion's Watch Tower 1894 Jul 15 p.226	"Jehovah's witnesses pointed to the year 1914, decades in advance, as marking the start of "the conclusion of the system of things." Awake! 1973 Jan 22 p.8
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  Stop Funding Watchtower in Canada!

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this is worth a look!.

  https://youtu.be/wxfczptd2n8?si=4jo-nuzmlvglbvkm.

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  blondie

  I think the US has a stronger belief in separation of church and sate, embedded in the US Constitution, Bill of Rights. It was one of the reasons the US separated from the UK. It is being eroded in the US and demonstrated by Freedom From Religion Foundation, in recent years.
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  Waiting On Jehovah First Mentioned?

  by Ron.W. in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  yes, waiting on jehovah for him to handle a problem/ doctrine etc.. when did the jw's first start saying that?

  they've been saying it as long as i can remember.. what scriptures do they trot out to back that teaching up?

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  blondie

  1953 WT "But Jehovah’s witnesses cannot break faith with Jehovah; so they continue to worship and preach as they are able, waiting upon Jehovah for salvation "

  Feb 2024 WT p.26-27

  • Find Happiness While Waiting Patiently for Jehovah