redvip2000, I know I left something out from my post sometimes my fingers don't type everything that I am thinking, that Moses did not compile the first 5 books either. That is only a dance around jws/WTS use to explain the discrepancies in authorship.
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9Approximately 40 authors wrote the Bible considered as GOd`s inspired word .Jesus never wrote one sentence in the bible.
by smiddy3 inthe bible from genesis to revelation and some apocrypha books are considered "god`s inspired word" written by imperfect men over the centuries.. yet jesus christ who never wrote a single sentence yet claimed to be the son of god and changed the history of the world not by what he said and did ,but by what others claimed he said and did.. moses wrote five books jesus wrote none .. how can jesus be considered greater than moses ?.
did the political powers that be in those days see an advantage of making jesus and christianity an opportunity for power and authority over the population of the time ?.
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wt and money
by zeb inwell she went off to the big convention this morning.
as she left i ventured a bare tiny 'dont give them money' 'they have millions.
' she spun back, (we are on pensions.).
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blondie
zeb, I found it to be true from a jw that participated in this WT program and saw WT representatives present this "requirement" and he saw it collected as well. Having jw relatives in the area, he was privy to the process from someone who experienced that.
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JW earworms
by neat blue dog indo you ever find yourself starting to hum a jw tune subconsciously?
several times while driving alone i started singing one of them, and then i get to an offensive lyric which jolts me 'awake', and i say something to myself like 'no!
if anybody heard they'd think i was a few bricks shy of a load 😆.
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blondie
I can remember some ex-jws writing new lyrics appropriate to their own changed thinking. I rather fill my mind with other music, better written music/lyrics, figuratively needing more room for the new, so I toss the old from my memory or put them in a rented storage area, far away in another galaxy.
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Merger aftermath
by Rattigan350 ina couple of months ago, i reported on my congregation being disolved and merged with another.. on sept 1, cong b merged with cong a using the same hall, thereafter using cong a's meeting times.
also nearby cong c moved into the hall using cong b's meeting times and cong c's kh is being put up for sale.. i've since been to both sunday meetings and both midweek meetings.
at all, the parking lot is totally full, cars have to park around the corner and on the street.
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blondie
Publicly, jws have to find a way to seem to support WTS changes or be viewed suspiciously by the rest of the members. What they think behind the scenes is hard to know. How many of us were thinking differently privately before we finally left.
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Did Russell come up with the no hell fire and no Trinity doctrine or did steal that belief from another religion as well?
by nowwhat? injust wondering hate to give the devil his due.
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blondie
Good point, cofty.
Evidently the "adulation" of his followers went to his head.
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Approximately 40 authors wrote the Bible considered as GOd`s inspired word .Jesus never wrote one sentence in the bible.
by smiddy3 inthe bible from genesis to revelation and some apocrypha books are considered "god`s inspired word" written by imperfect men over the centuries.. yet jesus christ who never wrote a single sentence yet claimed to be the son of god and changed the history of the world not by what he said and did ,but by what others claimed he said and did.. moses wrote five books jesus wrote none .. how can jesus be considered greater than moses ?.
did the political powers that be in those days see an advantage of making jesus and christianity an opportunity for power and authority over the population of the time ?.
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@smiddy3
Moses was merely an editor of previous written info (supposedly), most likely stories passed down, not original thoughts and certainly not inspired by god.
Much of what is in the bible is considered credible by circular reasoning.
So can we consider the bible a book that was ghost-written by humans for god?
a person whose job it is to write material for someone else who is the named author.
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Did Russell come up with the no hell fire and no Trinity doctrine or did steal that belief from another religion as well?
by nowwhat? injust wondering hate to give the devil his due.
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blondie
Russell said he was going out there and gathering the one or two "truths" that some religions had "saved" to be gathered into one place again when Jesus came back to take possession of the kingdom. He said he was only looking for the people who would really be ruling with Christ in heaven.
There was no push to find or convert non-anointed people because soon (1914) god would end wickedness, government infrastructure, commercial infrastructure and religious infrastructure, the big three (trinity?). Then the ordinary people on earth would be ushered into god's kingdom on earth as defined by the WTS.
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1989241?q=%22big+business%22+religion&p=par
THE present world system under Satan’s control has three principal elements that are manipulated by “the god of this world.” These are political rulership, big business control and influence, and religion. Over the millenniums of history, these three factors have been the constants of virtually every ruling system. Which of these powerful forces is symbolized by “the mother of the harlots”?—2 Corinthians 4:3, 4, The Jerusalem Bible; Revelation 12:9; 17:5.
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1101988036?q=%22big+business%22&p=sen
However, Satan’s world does not follow righteous principles. Corruption abounds. It is to be found in religion, in politics—and in big business.
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wt and money
by zeb inwell she went off to the big convention this morning.
as she left i ventured a bare tiny 'dont give them money' 'they have millions.
' she spun back, (we are on pensions.).
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blondie
There is a real culture developing in the US, if the news is not to your liking, just call it "fake news" and move on. The WTS and its members had that developed already and has made it an art form.
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Jehovah's Witnesses Came to My Neighborhood
by Juan Viejo2 infor nearly two years i have not seen any jehovah's witnesses going door to door in my neighborhood.
that was not the case when my wife and i first moved here (north central oregon).
in fact, our neighborhood was visited at least once every 4 to 5 months - even in the coldest winter months.
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blondie
@sir82,
I love that too, "apathy carts" and the jws faces at those carts proves it.
When I was "regular pioneering" I learned all the tricks of the trade from older jws how to stretch my reporting time. I figured that one morning my time spent was really
1) meeting with the group and waiting 1/2 hour for jws that were perennially late.
2) after the late ones showed, still standing around talking socially for another 1/2 hour before anyone went out to get in the vehicles
3) taking 20 minutes to give out blocks for each pair to call on
4) 10 minutes before knocking on the first door
5) because the territory was made up of people who were never at home I spent 1 hour talking to no one except my partner
6) Everyone decided it was time for a break, went to the local cafe where we met 2 other groups also stopping for "coffee" which was really a big breakfast. 45 minutes later everyone said it was time to go home saying they would be stopping to talk to someone that were on their "magazine route" "to keep their time going."
Everyone else reported the time from the moment they walked out their door to when they walked back into through their door. I was uncomfortable with that but I realized I would never reach the hour quota each month unless I did.
I once told an elder that if jws worked on a commission like most sales people did, were only paid based on the real results they showed (payment: everlasting life on a paradise earth), and had to report real converts each month to get paid, jws might be more productive/effective.
Fake it until you make it (your time) was a phrase I adapted to this situation.
Even the WTS tells its members not to be discouraged if they never make a convert, that the important is to be out there. But now the WTS is giving detailed instructions in the WT study articles on how to be more effective. More jws dying (boomer generation) and few coming in, mostly next generation children, and more of those are leaving as they reach the age of majority. Less numbers = less money coming in; less men to do the admin stuff in the congregation.
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Anyone have someone move in and take over the congergation?
by rickroll ini have been in two congregations where someone moved in from the big city and took over with the attitude of the northerners when they go south, i come from where they do it right.
like bulls in china shops they remove people and do the house cleaning like the political org cult it is.
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blondie
@smiddy3
Good point, I'll edit that saying to "toad" from now on.
Moving into spring now by you? Autumn has finally come to my area, that means winter cannot be far behind.