Posts by slimboyfat

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Are the J.W's reaching a "Tipping point"?

by karter in

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i haven't been to a meeting in 15 years but my mother and sister are hard as j.w's.

the brothers they are appointing elders are at best suspect like one guy from my old hall made elder,big time drug used before becoming a j.w his talks are all over the place and would have struggled to make m,s years ago but with at least 60 to 70 % of young ones leaving the pool to pick from is at best reduced.. 2 other recent elders both young and zero life experience both on benefits one not well at all falls asleep all the time.. the decent,kind elders mostly older and are decent people with alot of life experience are burning out fast as there are so few of them left like 3 per congro of 100 publishers.. then you have the rich elders who wouldn't ever think of inviting some poor older or mis-fit person out to the expensive placers they go to as they couldn't afford to go so they are above the r&f and the r&f get pissed off with them.

then we have the ones who have "put the kingdom 1st" who are now old worn out and barely getting by from welfare cheque to welfare cheque that are saying "the system should have been over many years ago" it's still here and they are struggling everyday.. then there are the pioneers who have a low payed reduced hour job that seem to think anyone who has anything is totally materialistic and looks down on anyone getting a new car buying a house ect.. along with the child abuse issues,the generation change,access to information the the g.b don't want anyone to know ,not to mention the issues around blood.. is there a tipping point coming????

slimboyfat

Ha! I'm so "incited" by reading my old posts.

I think decline is carrying on apace.

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Engaged Couples Living Together

by ILewis in

my question is this.

is it wrong for a jehovah's witness to allow an unmarried couple to live together under their roof?

same room, same bed, they are allowing full on cohabitation.

slimboyfat

It seems entirely plausible to me that someone vaguely in touch with JWs, searches JWs, finds this site, and posts a question. It happens fairly often.

And many people have moral views like the poster.

So I’m not sure what aspect of the whole thing is supposed to be unlikely.

It just seems a basic inability to believe that others can conceive the world differently, which pervades this forum.

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Has Justin Trudeau Finally Eaten Too Many Tide Pods?

by freemindfade in

curious what the canadian take is on all this .

i also understand he compared islamic state terrorists to greek, vietnamese & italian migrants?

that one i haven't confirmed yet but sounds wacky if true.

slimboyfat

Apparently, viewed in context of the woman's earlier remarks, this was a joke that Trudeau made. Only when taken out of context does it sound like a stupid liberal remark of the kind conservatives enjoy caricaturing.

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Wives With Unbelieving Mates

by minimus in

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i knew many witness wives with unbelieving mates who pretty much led a double life.

“my husband says i have to go the workplace christmas party.” or my mate tells me i have to make a thanksgiving dinnner.

or “ my mate insists i do things in the bedroom that i know the watchtower has talked against.

slimboyfat

Yes it's a curious feature of JW rules that they have not outright banned JWs from marrying non-JWs. For some other sects this is considered a DFing offence. (the Christadelphians for example, I believe) Especially since research seems to show that religiously divided marriages are very poor at passing on religion. It would seem to be in their own interests for JWs to make Paul's injunction to "marry only in the Lord" a DFing issue.

One way to make sense of the historically liberal attitude of Watchtower on this matter is that JW (women in particular) marrying outside the faith has been a steady source of new members as JW wives often brought their husbands into the religion.

But that approach may now have backfired as husbands are more likely to convince their wives and children out of JWs than the opposite these days. Another example of a feature of JW religion, which was once an asset, or contributed to JW growth, turning around and becoming a major liability.

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Engaged Couples Living Together

by ILewis in

my question is this.

is it wrong for a jehovah's witness to allow an unmarried couple to live together under their roof?

same room, same bed, they are allowing full on cohabitation.

slimboyfat

Since there are many hundred of millions of people in the world who would likely view this situation the way the OP does, I can't think of any reason why they should be assumed to be a troll. It's a mark of the insularity of conversation on this forum that any poster with views outside the narrow forum consensus is simply assumed to be speaking in bad faith: that they are not only wrong, but they can't possibly even mean what they say. It's weird when you think about it. I have no idea the OP's background or sincerity, but the idea that a poster with views like this can't exist, must be joking, or must be a troll, is just weird.

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$5.5 Million to be transferred to World Wide Work from Assembly Hall fund

by Sour Grapes in

a letter was read tonight in our kingdom hall that the money that the circuits in the indianapolis area had in savings to build a new assembly hall will now be transferred to the www to build kingdom halls in lands where they are needed and a new assembly hall for us will not be built.. we had a beautiful assembly hall near downtown indy that was paid for.

it was sold a couple of years ago.

we were promised a new assembly hall to be built in southern ohio near the indiana border but they can kiss that goodbye now.

slimboyfat

Actions like this can surely only have the effect of reducing donations in future. Because, obviously, if people are donating for something, only for it not to happen, and the money be taken away, then they are not going to contribute as much in future.

What is more, Watchtower surely realises that behaviour like this will reduce future donations. Which must mean that Watchtower has such a desperate need for the cash in the short term that they don't mind jeopardising donation levels in the longer term.

Plus saying that the money will be used for KHs in poorer lands is just gratuitous. How many JWs will actually believe that? A significant number of JWs are going to think to themselves: "is it not bad enough that Watchtower is confiscating money we raised locally for an Assembly Hall? Do they need to lie to us about why they're doing it as well?"

Some people have claimed that Watchtower has lots of money at the moment because of the sale of Brooklyn properties. They claim that Watchtower cutbacks are prudent and not a sign of desperation. Moves like this, confiscating an Assembly Hall fund, do not indicate prudent long term strategy, they indicate measures of last resort, or panic.

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$5.5 Million to be transferred to World Wide Work from Assembly Hall fund

by Sour Grapes in

a letter was read tonight in our kingdom hall that the money that the circuits in the indianapolis area had in savings to build a new assembly hall will now be transferred to the www to build kingdom halls in lands where they are needed and a new assembly hall for us will not be built.. we had a beautiful assembly hall near downtown indy that was paid for.

it was sold a couple of years ago.

we were promised a new assembly hall to be built in southern ohio near the indiana border but they can kiss that goodbye now.

slimboyfat

Sounds to me like desperate measures by an organisation in serious financial trouble.

Would be fantastic if someone could get hold of a copy of this letter for the record.

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Pillowgate - John Cedars

by CitizenofEarth in

is this true?

is this really true?!.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qirjv48c55m.

slimboyfat

That could be just a start if more channels pick it up.

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The book burning has started

by pale.emperor in

don't know if this is a global thing but i've just been told by a pimo member of my old congregation that a min servant has been given the task of destroying all old books/literature in the kh library prior to 1992.. could be the elders (or even one of them) on a mission to stamp out dissent as my ex-wife used the same reasoning to her elder dad that i used in my jc: rutherfords books containing failed predictions.. anyone else heared anything?.

the ms who's been given the task is a company man.

no hope of him keeping them or selling them on ebay.. they have some russell books in that library too.

slimboyfat

There was a BOE letter that gave a choice to keep a library or else make a computer or tablet available in the KH. Elders were to make up their own mind. It said space might be a factor, but surely most KHs have room for a library, even if just one wall of the smaller room.

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Praying in the name of Michael the archangel instead of Jesus

by krismalone in

just wondering what would happen if a brother saying a prayer in a meeting did it in the name of michael the archangel instead of closing the prayer with "jesus christ".

since jw's believe michael is jesus would he be counseled?

what if a brother used the name michael the archangel in their public talks instead of jesus?

slimboyfat

Jesus said to pray in his name.

Many in the early church identified Jesus with Michael, JWs are not unique in making that connection.