Posts by slimboyfat

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JW UK Branch update 2018: "Follow the White Elephant"

by Fay Dehr in

https://youtu.be/y5uydq1mwtm.

slimboyfat

Very well done. But I would really appreciate knowing the exact sources and dates of the videos that are included. In particular when was the video of the older brother saying that the branch relocation is costing more than they expected. I have never seen that before.

The purpose of the new branch was originally to print more magazines. Now they won’t print any at all. But they are still building the accommodation buildings. Why? Who for? What are they going to be doing? It’s just weird. I think they’ll need to sell it. What else can they do with it?

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So What Drastic Money Change is Next?

by OnTheWayOut in

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okay, they cheapened the product by getting rid of hardcover books.

they reduced printing of mags.

they drastically reduced the number of pieces of printed paper that members would "place" in people's hands in various ways, the biggest one being that they put them on a cart and don't encourage people to take them.they cut d.o.

slimboyfat

What might they do next?

stop printing Bibles

stop printing anything at all

close more branches

cancel or sell new branch in Britain

stop all allowances for circuit overseers, special pioneers and missionaries

send even more people home from bethel

reduce quality and quantity of online output

sell more Assembly halls and Kingdom Halls that are in valuable locations

beg for more donations and stress including WT in your will

sell Walkhill and Patterson and concentrate on Warwick

fundraising: approach wealthy JWs for one off donations in return for access to GB (suspect this already happens)

gather old literature from KHs and sell it on eBay (I think they already do this)

reduce international travel and vacations of GB

(okay the last one was a wild card, I mostly tried to keep it realistic)

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What Can A Member Of The Governing Body Get Disfellowshipped For?

by Brokeback Watchtower in

i don't think any member of the elite gb can be disfellowshipped while in the office, i think they need to be removed first from being part of the elite ruling class ceos and then latter be df'd if the need be.

i'm of this opinion from what happened to raymond franz, chitty, and greeenlees.. ray, was not df'd for apostacy while on the gb, he was first removed from office given a $10,000 severance package and booted out of bethel, latter he was seen eating with a member that left the clutches of the organization to which the wt corporation put into effect that eating a meal with a df'd or disassociated member is in itself a df'n offence.. i think the watchtower will be very reluctant to df any former gb member because they can do so much damage if they go public like ray franz did..

slimboyfat

DFing Ray Franz was a serious miscalculation. He did far more damage out than in. I guess they didn’t anticipate that, or vindictiveness obscured their judgement.

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What Can A Member Of The Governing Body Get Disfellowshipped For?

by Brokeback Watchtower in

i don't think any member of the elite gb can be disfellowshipped while in the office, i think they need to be removed first from being part of the elite ruling class ceos and then latter be df'd if the need be.

i'm of this opinion from what happened to raymond franz, chitty, and greeenlees.. ray, was not df'd for apostacy while on the gb, he was first removed from office given a $10,000 severance package and booted out of bethel, latter he was seen eating with a member that left the clutches of the organization to which the wt corporation put into effect that eating a meal with a df'd or disassociated member is in itself a df'n offence.. i think the watchtower will be very reluctant to df any former gb member because they can do so much damage if they go public like ray franz did..

slimboyfat

I guess the mechanism is supposed to be the same, in that GB members are supposed to be members of congregations, and if a matter arises (such as a GB member getting caught in flagrante) then it would be brought to the other elders.

I’ve heard Brooklyn Heights congregation mentioned a few times. A recent YouTube video features an interview from someone who processed field service reports for Splane and Jackson as members of Brooklyn Heights congregation. And an older JW mentions that there were 4 members of the GB in Brooklyn Heights congregation in the 1970s.

https://orthocath.wordpress.com/2010/04/16/life-at-bethel-the-world-headquarters-of-jehovah’s-witnesses-part-on/

But it seems GB members are not full participants in congregations. They are frequently absent attending other business, and I doubt they do the regular work of local elders in any meaningful way. In fact I wonder if they will continue as members of congregations in Warwick because it won’t be as easy to attach to local congregations away out in the middle of nowhere. They may form congregation-like groups comprising solely members of the headquarters instead. This would further distance GB members from the everyday lives of other JWs.

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Talked to a JW in the park

by Xanthippe in

so in my lunch break at work today i walked in the park, just chilling out when a woman approached and offered me a leaflet.

didn't have to read it i knew straight away who she was.. me: my family are involved with jws.

the new world was supposed to come in the mid-seventies but it didn't.

slimboyfat

Very good. It’s always interesting/amusing that JWs are not prepared for a real answer to their message from people who know what it’s about. In fact if you respond from a position of knowledge they almost act as if you are speaking out of turn or being rude somehow. They just can’t cope with an intelligent response. It’s a very fragile ideology carried by fragile egos.

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Signs You Would Like To See At Watchtower Convention

by Brokeback Watchtower in

i think gb loesch has made some pretty bold statements that could be put in quotes with his picture attached could be a real killer!.

believe and obey only the faithful slave, don't believe any negative comment about us in the press believe only us.. google: child molestation watchtower bible and tract society, klick on wikki.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/jehovah%27s_witnesses%27_handling_of_child_sex_abuse.

slimboyfat

A sign that states: “This is a sign of the times!”

”Millions now dying have never lived”

”Better to have questions you can’t answer than answers you can’t question”

”Shunning - it’s what we do!” Circuit Overseer, England 2018

”Everyone knows there are mistakes in the Bible” - Watchtower 1927

”I made an ass of myself” JW leader JF Rutherford on predicting the end in 1925

”No one should be made to choose between his beliefs and his family” Awake! 2009

”overlapping generation” - are they having a laugh?

Watchtower in decline - will the last person out the door turn off the lights?

“Tight pants are designed by homosexuals to see your junk” - highlight from previous convention talk by Anthony Morris

“When Watchtower needs to beg for money it means Jehovah is no longer blessing them” - Charles Taze Russell, Watchtower founder

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Did Ray Franz every sign any of his books?

by blownaway in

i know he shipped his own books early on, but did he sign them?.

slimboyfat

He shipped his books until the end, as far as I’m aware. I bought 400 of them and he sent them in mail bags himself.

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The most successful teaching of Jehovah's Witnesses and an amazing new book on the divine name

by slimboyfat in

jehovah's witnesses have had to revise their chronology and various doctrinal interpretations due to events and scholarly corrections.

but the one teaching where they have been consistently ahead of the curve is the importance of jehovah's name.. .

i'm going to run through a (necessarily selective) timeline of jw events and scholarly publications that demonstrate the phenomenal success of this teaching in the last days.

slimboyfat

Has anyone else read this book and got any thoughts on it? Personally I think it’s the best book this century! I’m glad Earnest pointed it out to me.

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Robert H. COUNTESS and John 1:1 in the NWT

by Wonderment in

robert h. countess and john 1:1 in the nwt, part iirobert h. countess made the case in his book that the nwt ‘formulated their own principle’ on the article.

under summary and conclusions, he stated: “chapter four’s conclusions regarding the handling of [theós] indicated that nwt’s translators poorly understood the greek article, and that their principle [theós]=‘a god,’ [ho theós]= ‘god’ is not legitimate.” (p. 92) is countess conclusion correct?this is what the nwt actually said after observing that both moffatt and goodspeed rendered john 1:1c in their translations as “divine.” “careful translators recognize that the articular construction of the noun points to an identity, a personality, whereas an anarthrous contruction points to a quality about someone.” in making this statement, the nw translators also had in mind the grammar by dana & mantey, in which they stated: “when identity is prominent, we find the article; and when quality or character is stressed, the construction is anarthrous [without the article].” (p. 138) also: “there are no ‘rules’ for the use of the article in greek, but there is a fundamental principle underlying its significance – as we have seen in the foregoing section – and this gives rise to a normal usage.” (ibid, p. 141) nowhere did the nwt ever affirmed that this meant [theós] without the article is always equivalent to = ‘a god,’ and [ho theós, with the article is always to be understood as = ‘god.’ even the wts would have to agree with countess that such principle is “not legitimate.” colwell first published his book in 1982, and by then the watchtower had made their position clear enough.

in 1975 the wt wrote: “this does not mean, however, that every time an anarthrous noun occurs in the greek text it should appear in english with the indefinite article.

slimboyfat

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/6276841381822464/most-successful-teaching-jehovahs-witnesses-amazing-new-book-on-divine-name

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Robert H. COUNTESS and John 1:1 in the NWT

by Wonderment in

robert h. countess and john 1:1 in the nwt, part iirobert h. countess made the case in his book that the nwt ‘formulated their own principle’ on the article.

under summary and conclusions, he stated: “chapter four’s conclusions regarding the handling of [theós] indicated that nwt’s translators poorly understood the greek article, and that their principle [theós]=‘a god,’ [ho theós]= ‘god’ is not legitimate.” (p. 92) is countess conclusion correct?this is what the nwt actually said after observing that both moffatt and goodspeed rendered john 1:1c in their translations as “divine.” “careful translators recognize that the articular construction of the noun points to an identity, a personality, whereas an anarthrous contruction points to a quality about someone.” in making this statement, the nw translators also had in mind the grammar by dana & mantey, in which they stated: “when identity is prominent, we find the article; and when quality or character is stressed, the construction is anarthrous [without the article].” (p. 138) also: “there are no ‘rules’ for the use of the article in greek, but there is a fundamental principle underlying its significance – as we have seen in the foregoing section – and this gives rise to a normal usage.” (ibid, p. 141) nowhere did the nwt ever affirmed that this meant [theós] without the article is always equivalent to = ‘a god,’ and [ho theós, with the article is always to be understood as = ‘god.’ even the wts would have to agree with countess that such principle is “not legitimate.” colwell first published his book in 1982, and by then the watchtower had made their position clear enough.

in 1975 the wt wrote: “this does not mean, however, that every time an anarthrous noun occurs in the greek text it should appear in english with the indefinite article.

slimboyfat

That would be great Wonderment. Yes the divine name has been my special interest for nearly two decades now. I’ve read a lot about it, which probably means I should know more than I do. Have you managed to read the book on the divine name by Frank Shaw. It’s the best discussion of the topic there is in my opinion. I made a thread about it a few months ago.