That is true. But it does otherwise seem to be addressing a particular usual scenario. I am not sure what the intent of the Wathtower writer was because it seems ambiguous, and I’ve not read the original QFR. It is certainly possible the writer really meant to say that all DFed people are an “unwanted intrusion”, but I’m not 100% sure.
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The site that shall not be named ...
by Afterburn ini know people are concerned about adding positively to jw stats on the site that shall not be named, but i don't think the argument is a valid one, because they are going to see cause to brag on themselves whether the stats rise, stagnate, or fall.
it's built into their self-conceits.
here's the menu you get when you create a user account on that site.. .
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Who made it that way?
by nicolaou init's infuriating because it's so childish.
you can explain how a rainbow appears because sunlight is refracted under the right conditions but you'll get asked;.
"so who made those conditions that way?".
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slimboyfat
It seems like a reasonable question to me! Although I would pose the question at a more fundamental level than, why a rainbow, or why currents in the sea. I would ask why the world is set up in such a way, and with intrinsic rules and patterns, that allow all such phenomena to even develop and exist. Or why there is anything at all, that can be subject to these sorts of patterns and formations. But ultimately maybe it is the same question. Because it’s not that awareness of the possibility of God means that every dumb thing that happens must has a superfluous “reason” attached to it. (“I must have dropped my toast for a reason”) It’s rather the fact that the world exists at all permeates all that we encounter with such intrinsic meaning that everything makes sense at fundamental level, even if all the parts only make sense, either in relation to one another, or apparently not at all.
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The site that shall not be named ...
by Afterburn ini know people are concerned about adding positively to jw stats on the site that shall not be named, but i don't think the argument is a valid one, because they are going to see cause to brag on themselves whether the stats rise, stagnate, or fall.
it's built into their self-conceits.
here's the menu you get when you create a user account on that site.. .
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slimboyfat
I’m a bit unclear, but the 1953 WT seems to be talking about a specific situation where someone turns apostate, joins another religion, but for some reason still wants to attend the KH with a spouse. Which seems a strange scenario, but might explain the “unwanted intrusion” comment. It may not be a blanket statement that all DFed people are unwelcome, but there is enough Watchtower imprecision and ambiguity that it’s not entirely clear. Ironic since this QFR was apparently prompted by yet more imprecise language in an earlier QFR.
I do find it interesting that the 1953 article disallows the DFed person from sitting with family, because more recently Watchtower has claimed that they place no formal restrictions on where DFed people can sit in the KH.
When I was young it was traditional for DFed people to sit at the back in shame, sometimes quite a few. These days there are no DFed people at the back any more, just sick and nervous people who prefer to sit at the back for one reason or another.
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NBA Player Retires to Serve as Jehovah's Witness
by 720Reddog inhttps://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/27078092/collison-retires-nba-31-focus-faith .
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slimboyfat
Who was the footballer who gave up football because of 1975? Has anyone got any clippings?
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No longer Hidden
by HiddenPimo ini wrote a letter some time ago and to my surprise and despite the elders manual saying that a letter is sufficient for establishing 'wrongdoing' they would not announce me as no longer a jw until i met with 2 elders to verbally acknowledge that the letter was written by me.. .
well yesterday i met with them and the meeting lasted 2 minutes.
"did you write the letter?
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slimboyfat
Firstly congratulations on a step that you are ready to make.
Personally I’m pleased that they take care to verify a letter. What sort of chaos could ensue if any letter purporting to be from anyone was believed? The elders book probably means a letter that is handed over personally. But as is often the case the elders book is terribly imprecise and open to many interpretations.
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Kids being disfellowshipped
by Nikki collins inso some ex-jws and i were at dinner last night talking about how some of the ones baptized this year were so young.
a few under the age of 10!!
can you imagine if a kid got dfd at that age.... would the congregation shun them?
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slimboyfat
I wonder if a campaign specifically against the legal right of Watchtower to disfellowship children could gain momentum. Many argue that disfellowshipping in general is a religious freedom and shouldn’t be legally challenged by former JWs. What about DFing children? That seems more difficult to defend morally, and perhaps legally. If Watchtower was legally banned from DFing people under 18 I wonder how they would react.
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Jesus in a Super Hero Cape
by iloowy.goowy inhave you see the latest fashion for jesus in the wt?.
he's sporting a cape, just like superman!maybe caleb can get a t-shirt with a j logo instead of an s.. .
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slimboyfat
On the fantasy/superhero theme, I heard a comment at the meeting about Jehovah bringing people back to life “with a snap of his fingers” like a superhero (Stone Man, or something) from the latest Avengers film who brings people back to life by snapping his fingers. I thought it was striking someone would actually make this comparison in a meeting.
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Walter F. Salter
by OrionLoki inhello everyone, this is my first strictly historical theme:.
walter f. salter was the overseer of the branch office in canada in years 1918-1936. in 1936 he was dismissed from that function, and in 1937 he was disfellowshipped from the organization.. does anybody know his further history?
did he join any christian denomination?
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slimboyfat
On a hot summer’s day the full quote may have been: “is that Walter Salter on the helter skelter in this summer swelter?” -
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For any that still believe in God and Jesus, what is your reasoning on this matter?
by BourneIdentity inin the old testament, god was always full of anger and jealousy resulting in the murder of millions of people.
we’re told jesus perfectly reflects his fathers qualities.
why in the new testament does jesus show no hint of anger and jealousy and wanting to kill people?
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I was quite surprised to find out something today. i found out that there is significant number of intelligent people who believe that the Patterson film is genuine and have written articles in support of it. If you don’t remember the name, then you will certainly remember the fuzzy video from the 1960s of a man in an Ape costume walking at the edge of a forest.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patterson–Gimlin_film
How can anyone believe that was a real animal and not a human dressed up? I don’t know - the mind boggles.
On the other hand there are many millions of people on the planet who claim to have had experience of God in their lives. If God exists it would stand to reason he would wish to make himself known to people, and many people claim he has done just that, in their lives. Sometimes I have the sense that the world makes sense and that God is the only explanation for why the world exists and why we can perceive the world as existing. I can’t understand how it could be that everything that exists does exist of itself and for no reason outside of itself. The only thing that makes any sense to me is that there should be someone outside of being who called all things that exist into existence for some purpose. And if we look at history and consider religious traditions, I think Christianity has much to recommend itself.
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Great crowd article @ september study Watchtower
by Gorbatchov inhas anyone read the article about the great crowd in the september study watchtower?.
i read an elephant in the room.
is there a change comming?
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slimboyfat
Initially anyone who was anointed after 1935 was explained as being a “replacement” for pre-1935 anointed who had left the truth, but they have long since abandoned that expanation. There is no official cut off for anointed any more, but in practice any younger person outside of the GB, and GB hopefuls (Paul Gillies still hopeful, or losing hope?) who partakes is viewed with suspicion.