Me neither. I remember watching the scenario unfold with some amusement at the time. I can't remember the details but it seemed pretty clear it was an elaborate hoax by admittedly somewhat affable showman. I trust my earlier judgment on that without feeling any need to go back and check and relive the experience all over again. Some pretty unlikely people are right about a few things it and doesn't make it generalizable. Hitler was pretty good and arguably ahead of his time on environmental concerns and animals rights, to choose the most outrageous, and somewhat inappropriate example, it doesn't justify any "he was proved right" scale revision.
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"Johnny The Bethelite" - VINDICATED!
by Nathan Natas inyears ago rick fearon hosted on his six screens podcast a person identified as "johnny the bethelite" who talked about goings-on in watchtower headquarters.. johnny talked about the experiments with cart work.. johnny talked about pedophiles and child pornography in jw headquarters.. people claimed "johnny" was a fraud.
a fake.
cart work is everywhere.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)
by Simon inuh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.
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slimboyfat
Many people leave JWs and are better for it. Some leave and it turns out for the worse. Others stay in for various reasons with mixed results. I don't see leaving or staying as unqualified achievements on themselves, it's how you go about it and how you treat people along the way. He views the number of deconversions to his credit as a kind of badge of honour, but people who leave and go on to treat people the way he has treated his family, and slave workers in his business, and at a various resorts, might as well not bother and it's not anything to shout about just because you "left" or supposedly got someone else to leave. -
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The Apostles Creed vs. Watchtower
by Sea Breeze inthe apostles creed could be recited in less than a minute in latin.
it was like an ancient youtube video clip: christianity in less than a minute.
it is very ancient, reaching back to the 200's.
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slimboyfat
Many of your observations are not factual or miss the point. For example, Watchtower has described Jesus as “our Lord” many hundreds of times, as any search will show.
And JWs do use the biblical phrase “God the Father”. What they don’t do is follow the Trinitarian inflection of pairing it with the non-biblical phrase “God the Son”, and the habit of divorcing the phrase from its context, such as instances where Paul refers to “God the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ” showing that even as Lord, Jesus looks to another as his God; or 1 Cor 8.6 where “God the Father” is equated with the “one God” of the Bible, rather than merely one person of the one God, as per Trinitarian dogma.
And JWs agree that Jesus was in Hell/Hades for three days, they just have a different understanding of what that means.
In all I think JWs could agree with most of the Apostles Creed. There’s no Trinity in it at all, which is striking, but should not be entirely surprising because the Trinity hadn’t been invented yet.
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"Johnny The Bethelite" - VINDICATED!
by Nathan Natas inyears ago rick fearon hosted on his six screens podcast a person identified as "johnny the bethelite" who talked about goings-on in watchtower headquarters.. johnny talked about the experiments with cart work.. johnny talked about pedophiles and child pornography in jw headquarters.. people claimed "johnny" was a fraud.
a fake.
cart work is everywhere.
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slimboyfat
Um, I think you’re leaving some stuff out there, Nathan 😆
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JWs and the Lord's Prayer
by punkofnice inhow often do you hear the lord's prayer at the meetings or in jw homes?.
i don't know if they revised their stance with the new leaders in america, but i don't recall it having much weight when i were a wee'un.. i think the nwt said, 'pray then, this way....'.
so, jesus gave instructions on how to pray, as in actual words to say.......so the jws don't?
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slimboyfat
They recited the Lord’s Prayer until the 1940s, or 1950s in some places. Nowadays they emphasise putting prayer into your own words and not reciting repetitious prayers as Jesus warned against.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)
by Simon inuh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.
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slimboyfat
Did he really say lifesaving work?
More like funding a low-life to evade work.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)
by Simon inuh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.
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slimboyfat
Minus 400 patrons later
In total (don’t know the livestream in particular) according to the graphtreon site his peak was 896 patrons and he’s now on 329, so that’s down 567 patrons, or down 63%. He’s added some YouTube members apparently, to offset that, very slightly.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)
by Simon inuh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.
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slimboyfat
Probably indicative of the kind of people inclined to keep sending him patron money too, over 300 of them. The mind boggles, even though it's down from nearly 900 it's still a remarkable number.
YouTuber Boogie lost 90% of his patrons and over 90% of his audience when he unmasked himself, but it took a few years. That's probably where LE is ultimately headed. Even when he stops YouTube altogether there will probably still be 5% sending him money, and he'll keep collecting as long as they're stupid enough to keep sending it.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)
by Simon inuh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.
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slimboyfat
That video was terrible, even at the time, I can’t see how his followers didn’t see that. He basically said: “she doesn’t want to do a video but here I am forcing her to do it anyway”, in the car while she couldn’t escape, she looked miserable. His excuse was that his patrons voted for it, so by his logic she had to do it.
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Using GROK 3 (Artificial Intelligence) to fact check UKRAINE theories/conspiracies, et al
by Terry into dig deep into what has taken place in ukraine both pro and con.
i tasked a.i.
with a pro vs con proposition.
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slimboyfat
lol I believe it was probably along those lines, but it was particularly impressive that AI could lipread Trump even when Kamala Harris’s husband’s head was in the way 😆