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  3 Changes The Watchtower Made on Babylon The Great in the Last 6 Months

  by raymond frantz in

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  2. bible

  https://youtu.be/vpws6ncqpla?si=dqnf7-hupfr4pdta.

  for decades, jehovah’s witnesses have been banging on about babylon the great—the so-called world empire of false religion—being on the brink of collapse.

  any day now, they assured us, churches would empty out, priests would be left twiddling their thumbs, and humanity would collectively bin organised religion.

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  slimboyfat

  I think they say it was shortly.after 1914 or in 1918 not sure. 🤔
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  3 Changes The Watchtower Made on Babylon The Great in the Last 6 Months

  by raymond frantz in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  https://youtu.be/vpws6ncqpla?si=dqnf7-hupfr4pdta.

  for decades, jehovah’s witnesses have been banging on about babylon the great—the so-called world empire of false religion—being on the brink of collapse.

  any day now, they assured us, churches would empty out, priests would be left twiddling their thumbs, and humanity would collectively bin organised religion.

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  slimboyfat

  So, maybe Babylon the Great *isn’t* the one falling after all. Maybe it’s the Watchtower.

  I don't think so. In Scotland churches like the methodists, episcopalians, unitarians, and free church are nearing extinction whereas JWs are as numerous as they've ever been. On a global scale.the Mormon church is struggling whereas JWs are still growing. JWs grow faster than the population so if they keep that current trend they'd obviously keep gaining ground year on year. Which I doubt they will, incidentally. They are.boumd to start declining at some point but I don't see the point in pretending they are somehow in trouble now when that's not true.
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  The point of existence and how it refutes the Trinity

  by slimboyfat in

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  rowan williams, the former archbishop of canterbury gave an interesting answer to the somewhat stark question, what’s the point of us existing?

  as a christian, my starting point is that we exist because the most fundamental form of activity, energy, call it what you like, that is there, is love.

  that is, it’s a willingness that the other should be.

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  slimboyfat

  This passage has been misinterpreted to argue that … [it means what it says]

  I’m detecting a pattern here.
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  The point of existence and how it refutes the Trinity

  by slimboyfat in

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  rowan williams, the former archbishop of canterbury gave an interesting answer to the somewhat stark question, what’s the point of us existing?

  as a christian, my starting point is that we exist because the most fundamental form of activity, energy, call it what you like, that is there, is love.

  that is, it’s a willingness that the other should be.

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  And even if there be not as yet any one who is worthy to be called a son of God, nevertheless let him labour earnestly to be adorned according to his first-born word, the eldest of his angels, as the great archangel of many names; for he is called, the authority, and the name of God, and the Word, and man according to God's image, and he who sees Israel. Philo of Alexandria, On The Confusion of Tongues, 146.
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  The point of existence and how it refutes the Trinity

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  rowan williams, the former archbishop of canterbury gave an interesting answer to the somewhat stark question, what’s the point of us existing?

  as a christian, my starting point is that we exist because the most fundamental form of activity, energy, call it what you like, that is there, is love.

  that is, it’s a willingness that the other should be.

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  slimboyfat

  It’s not whether I consider them Arian. It’s the fact that they don’t hold to Arian theology and don’t consider themselves Arian. Unitarian Universalists are not Arian at all, not even close. Neither are Christadelphians, Biblical Unitarians, or others aqwsed listed.

  Perhaps the closest you mentioned is the Mormons. I don’t know if they describe themselves as Arian though. Obviously JWs also reject the label Arian but they do agree with Arius on some crucial features including Jesus’ being God’s first creation. This will apply to some of the tiny Russellite groups too I imagine.

  But what I was interested in is the non JW authors aqwsed alluded to who argue for an Arian position. The only one I know is Danny Andre Dixon. I’d be interested to find out about others.
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  The point of existence and how it refutes the Trinity

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  rowan williams, the former archbishop of canterbury gave an interesting answer to the somewhat stark question, what’s the point of us existing?

  as a christian, my starting point is that we exist because the most fundamental form of activity, energy, call it what you like, that is there, is love.

  that is, it’s a willingness that the other should be.

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  The only no JW Arian writer I've come across (apart from former JWs such as Greg Stafford and Rolf Furuli) is Danny Andre Dixon. I'd be interested to know if there are others.
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  The point of existence and how it refutes the Trinity

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  rowan williams, the former archbishop of canterbury gave an interesting answer to the somewhat stark question, what’s the point of us existing?

  as a christian, my starting point is that we exist because the most fundamental form of activity, energy, call it what you like, that is there, is love.

  that is, it’s a willingness that the other should be.

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  slimboyfat

  Ah, okay, they are not Arians, because they don't believe Jesus lived in heaven before coming to earth.
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  The point of existence and how it refutes the Trinity

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  rowan williams, the former archbishop of canterbury gave an interesting answer to the somewhat stark question, what’s the point of us existing?

  as a christian, my starting point is that we exist because the most fundamental form of activity, energy, call it what you like, that is there, is love.

  that is, it’s a willingness that the other should be.

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  slimboyfat

  Many modern Arians, like Jehovah’s Witnesses, claim that early Christian thinkers like Justin Martyr denied the full divinity of Christ …

  Do you know of many modern Arians apart from JWs? Can you point me to non-JW Arians who make this “claim”? There probably are, I just don’t know where they are of what they’ve written. I’d be interested to know.
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  The point of existence and how it refutes the Trinity

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  rowan williams, the former archbishop of canterbury gave an interesting answer to the somewhat stark question, what’s the point of us existing?

  as a christian, my starting point is that we exist because the most fundamental form of activity, energy, call it what you like, that is there, is love.

  that is, it’s a willingness that the other should be.

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  slimboyfat

  You imply that the phrase …

  I’m not implying anything. Justin Martyr’s words speak for themselves, as do your attempts to make his words mean the opposite of what he said.

  I shall attempt to persuade you, since you have understood the Scriptures, [of the truth] of what I say, that there is, and that there is said to be, another God and Lord subject to the Maker of all things; who is also called an Angel, because He announces to men whatsoever the Maker of all things— above whom there is no other God — wishes to announce to them. Justin Martyr, Dialogue with Trypho, 56
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  The point of existence and how it refutes the Trinity

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  rowan williams, the former archbishop of canterbury gave an interesting answer to the somewhat stark question, what’s the point of us existing?

  as a christian, my starting point is that we exist because the most fundamental form of activity, energy, call it what you like, that is there, is love.

  that is, it’s a willingness that the other should be.

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  slimboyfat

  Hence are we called atheists. And we confess that we are atheists, so far as gods of this sort are concerned, but not with respect to the most true God, the Father of righteousness and temperance and the other virtues, who is free from all impurity. But both Him, and the Son (who came forth from Him and taught us these things, and the host of the other good angels who follow and are made like to Him), and the prophetic Spirit, we worship and adore, knowing them in reason and truth, and declaring without grudging to every one who wishes to learn, as we have been taught. Justin Martyr, First Apology 6.