apostate literature - i have read the lot.
you name it - c of c, gentile times reconsidered, thirty tears a watchtower slave, the orwellian world of jehovah's witness, apocalypse delayed, and the freeminds and watchtower observer sites, so on and so on.
and i have been reading the posts on this site regularly pretty much since it started, and hourglass before it.
If joining the UN helped the preaching work then it was justified. No Witness would help the preaching work by joining the YMCA.
Jehovah's Witnesses use the world at the same time that they attack it - this is nothing new. They believe that America and Britain are the seventh beast of Revelation - but does that stop them doing business with them? Of course not!
The whole UN nonsense was a storm in an apostate teacup.
apostate literature - i have read the lot.
you name it - c of c, gentile times reconsidered, thirty tears a watchtower slave, the orwellian world of jehovah's witness, apocalypse delayed, and the freeminds and watchtower observer sites, so on and so on.
and i have been reading the posts on this site regularly pretty much since it started, and hourglass before it.
Apostates seem to be tolerant of absolutely every persuasion/leaning/belief under the sun - but not JWism. Why is this? If I still believe it might be the truth - why must that mean I have an emotional problem?
I just don't get it.
I am no apologist and I am not apostate.
I am a former Jehovah's Witness!
apostate literature - i have read the lot.
you name it - c of c, gentile times reconsidered, thirty tears a watchtower slave, the orwellian world of jehovah's witness, apocalypse delayed, and the freeminds and watchtower observer sites, so on and so on.
and i have been reading the posts on this site regularly pretty much since it started, and hourglass before it.
Valis - what is your problem. I mean both things. Do you think this is not possible?
apostate literature - i have read the lot.
you name it - c of c, gentile times reconsidered, thirty tears a watchtower slave, the orwellian world of jehovah's witness, apocalypse delayed, and the freeminds and watchtower observer sites, so on and so on.
and i have been reading the posts on this site regularly pretty much since it started, and hourglass before it.
Witnesses never claims that God told them the dates.
apostate literature - i have read the lot.
you name it - c of c, gentile times reconsidered, thirty tears a watchtower slave, the orwellian world of jehovah's witness, apocalypse delayed, and the freeminds and watchtower observer sites, so on and so on.
and i have been reading the posts on this site regularly pretty much since it started, and hourglass before it.
I just don't find apostates credible - that's one thing.
Ray Franz did not have a "crisis of conscience" - he was kicked out. He would have stayed if he could (read his book carefully)
Schnell was a nut case.
Apostates on this site pretty much admit that one main reason they left was because they did not want to live up to Bible standards (please don't eat me alive for saying this - it is true)
Also:
Chronology - Witnesses made mistakes - so what! Early Chrisitians also made mistakes.
The Trinity - the Bible does not teach a Trinity, Jehovah's Witnesses are right.
The UN thing - so what if the Witnesses joined the UN, what's the big deal?
Jehovah's name - Jehovah's Witnesses are the only ones who preach God's name.
For every apostate complaint there is a reasonable answer, it seems to me.
apostate literature - i have read the lot.
you name it - c of c, gentile times reconsidered, thirty tears a watchtower slave, the orwellian world of jehovah's witness, apocalypse delayed, and the freeminds and watchtower observer sites, so on and so on.
and i have been reading the posts on this site regularly pretty much since it started, and hourglass before it.
Apostate literature - I have read the lot.
You name it - C of C, Gentile Times reconsidered, Thirty Tears a Watchtower Slave, The Orwellian World of Jehovah's Witness, Apocalypse Delayed, and the Freeminds and Watchtower Observer sites, so on and so on.
And I have been reading the posts on this site regularly pretty much since it started, and hourglass before it.
But I am still not a convinced apostate. I still think Jehovah's Witnesses might have the truth - is there something wrong with me?
Irving Kristol said that 'a neo-con is just a liberal who has been mugged by reality'.
People on this board tend to follow a similar implicit assumption:
'An apostate is just a Jehovah's Witness who has been mugged by reality'
But I have had many run ins with reality - yet he has left my Watchtower wallet in tact.
Why?
i am extremely skeptical about this, yet people on this forum seem to talk about it as though it were a fact.
so has anyone got any actual concrete proof?
here are the reasons why i don't think they do:.
It seems there may be some evidence that some in the Watchtower structure have viewed apostate sites sporadically for specific reasons. But there has been no evidence, so far as I can see, that there is anything apporaching systematic monitoring of this and other apostate outlets.
hey i was just wondering if some of you wouldnt mind relating some crazy stories of things that apostates have done to get attention of witnesses and break them out of the trance.
i would think right after the 'stay alive till '75' fiasco there must have been some really pissed off and vocal people!
Not just the talk among Jehovah's Witnesses. Little Toe comes from a place with strong community and well-attended churches. His disassociation was the talk of the town for a long time. In fact, a friend of someone I know was in a church 50 miles away a couple of weeks after Little Toe's talk and the minister mentioned it to that congregation during the service. The ripples from that event went far and wide, and Witnesses had to deal with it on the doors for a long time after
hey i was just wondering if some of you wouldnt mind relating some crazy stories of things that apostates have done to get attention of witnesses and break them out of the trance.
i would think right after the 'stay alive till '75' fiasco there must have been some really pissed off and vocal people!
It was taped, and widely played - much to the consternation of the local elders
I think it may even be online - check Little Toe's homepage.
hey i was just wondering if some of you wouldnt mind relating some crazy stories of things that apostates have done to get attention of witnesses and break them out of the trance.
i would think right after the 'stay alive till '75' fiasco there must have been some really pissed off and vocal people!
Ticker,
Little Toe disassociated himself while giving a public talk. Some did not believe him when he first mentioned it on the board. But I know someone who was actually present at when he gave the talk. It upset one elderly sister in the congregation so much that she had a heart attack the next day (but she was okay, thankfully)... so now you know.
