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  Austria Begins Closing Mosques and Deporting Imams

  by cofty in

  1. social
  2. current

  austria, a member of the eu since 1995, is a country of 8.8 million people with a muslim population of around 600,000 mostly turkish immigrants.

  in 2015 it passed an 'islam law' prohibiting foreign funding of religious groups and creating a duty for muslim organisations to have 'a positive fundamental view towards state and society'.. many mosques in austria have continued to receive money from turkish muslim organisations so the new right-wing government have decided to enforce the law.

  seven mosques have been identified for closure and 60 imams are to be either deported or refused visas.

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  slimboyfat

  Whereabouts? I stayed in the most Turkish area of Vienna - Margareten, and I never saw any propaganda on the streets. All I saw Turkish people selling was Profil or Kronen Zeitung.

  The government who enacted the anti-Islam laws was already centre/right, and attempted to dampen support for the Freedlm Party by adopting those positions. It didn’t work. You don’t put out a fire by pouring fuel on it. The Austrian government made refugees unwelcome from the very start and they are now exploiting the situation to target the longstanding Turkish community. This is a worrying develoment.

  The Green Party won the presidential election. I’d be astonished if they support the anti-Muslim laws. As for the Social Democrats, I don’t know.
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  Austria Begins Closing Mosques and Deporting Imams

  by cofty in

  1. social
  2. current

  austria, a member of the eu since 1995, is a country of 8.8 million people with a muslim population of around 600,000 mostly turkish immigrants.

  in 2015 it passed an 'islam law' prohibiting foreign funding of religious groups and creating a duty for muslim organisations to have 'a positive fundamental view towards state and society'.. many mosques in austria have continued to receive money from turkish muslim organisations so the new right-wing government have decided to enforce the law.

  seven mosques have been identified for closure and 60 imams are to be either deported or refused visas.

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  slimboyfat

  The problem is that if centrist parties refuse to deal the problem of Islam's refusal to live in the West according to Western standards of social freedom the far-right will flourish - yes, this is happening across Europe, it seems.

  Right wing parties always warn that if we don’t listen to them then something even worse is coming behind them. But when we have a European government that is constructing laws to target Moslems, closing down Mosques, and marginalising 7% of their citizens, the calamity has already arrived. These actions should be resisted by all people who regard freedom and acceptance of other people as worthy values.
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  LEAKED: HuB Project 2018 [4 parts + 3 sub-videos]

  by Fay Dehr in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  https://youtu.be/q5vy2teaiuo.

  leaked: hub project 2018 [part 1 of 4] https://youtu.be/q5vy2teaiuo.

  leaked: hub project 2018 [part 2 of 4] https://youtu.be/8mjfucowkos.

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  slimboyfat

  Amazing - Watchtower is leaking more than a very leaky thing!
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  Research help needed: knowledge of Knights Templar and Masonic history vital

  by Fay Dehr in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i am in conversation with a uk historian regarding some knights templar locations, where jws have built buildings.

  *** this is serious research - not a joke *** .

  i am not - and do not wish to be - a conspiracy theorist, but something has come to light in the uk and i lack the knowledge of knights templar + masons.

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  slimboyfat

  Wrong thread, sorry. How did I do that?
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  LEAKED: UK Branch Relocation Update 11-Jun-2018

  by Fay Dehr in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  https://youtu.be/szsw4mwni40.

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  slimboyfat

  So they’re going to build a video production centre. Is that what the branch is going to be used for? At least that’s some sort of explanation, after the printing plant, which was supposed to be the whole point of the relocation, was cancelled.
  
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  Research help needed: knowledge of Knights Templar and Masonic history vital

  by Fay Dehr in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i am in conversation with a uk historian regarding some knights templar locations, where jws have built buildings.

  *** this is serious research - not a joke *** .

  i am not - and do not wish to be - a conspiracy theorist, but something has come to light in the uk and i lack the knowledge of knights templar + masons.

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  slimboyfat

  So they’re going to build a video production centre. Is that what the branch is going to be used for? At least that’s some sort of explanation, after the printing plant, which was supposed to be the whole point of the relocation, was cancelled.
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  The story of my congregation in the last five years.

  by Crazyguy in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  let’s start with the good news for the congregation that is.

  two new sisters were added to the group a mother and her daughter.

  then the bad news.

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  slimboyfat

  Nothing much, pretty static here. Congregation is the same size it was around 20 years ago, with about 40 to 50 at meetings. I think it peaked at around 80 in the 1980s. People are getting older, however, and no new ones to replace them, apart from pioneers who get sent here by the society.
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  Austria Begins Closing Mosques and Deporting Imams

  by cofty in

  1. social
  2. current

  austria, a member of the eu since 1995, is a country of 8.8 million people with a muslim population of around 600,000 mostly turkish immigrants.

  in 2015 it passed an 'islam law' prohibiting foreign funding of religious groups and creating a duty for muslim organisations to have 'a positive fundamental view towards state and society'.. many mosques in austria have continued to receive money from turkish muslim organisations so the new right-wing government have decided to enforce the law.

  seven mosques have been identified for closure and 60 imams are to be either deported or refused visas.

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  slimboyfat

  Good luck learning proper German from Austrians. ;-)

  My experience of Austrians is that they are a bit insular and have long been, for want of a milder word, just a little bit more racist than we are accustomed to in the United Kingdom. I was told a number of times in the early 2000s by Austrians that, although I was a foreigner, I was an alright foreigner because I’m not dark. (Du bist nicht dunkel) This was stated as a matter of fact without fhe idea that the sentiment should be problematic. So my point is that I don’t think the refugee crisis has changed opinion much in Austria. They were sceptical about refugees from the start.

  As for the Turkish population and mosques and so on. I think it’s just that the Turkish minority has reached a certain level that makes some white Austrians feel uncomfortable, and right wing politicians are exploiting that. From what I’ve seen the Turkish minority is long established and were well on the way to finding their own fit within Austrian society. These laws that target mosques and make them feel unwelcome are not going to help that process. Unfortunately alienation and discord is exactly what the right wing politicians are hoping to achieve. So who knows how this will play out.
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  Austria Begins Closing Mosques and Deporting Imams

  by cofty in

  1. social
  2. current

  austria, a member of the eu since 1995, is a country of 8.8 million people with a muslim population of around 600,000 mostly turkish immigrants.

  in 2015 it passed an 'islam law' prohibiting foreign funding of religious groups and creating a duty for muslim organisations to have 'a positive fundamental view towards state and society'.. many mosques in austria have continued to receive money from turkish muslim organisations so the new right-wing government have decided to enforce the law.

  seven mosques have been identified for closure and 60 imams are to be either deported or refused visas.

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  slimboyfat

  I checked the figure and it’s nearer 7%. I don’t want to fall into the common trap of exaggerating immigrant populations. I never saw any evidence of Turkish extremists in Austria. There may be some, of course.

  Closing down mosques alienates regular Turkish people who thought they were welcome in Austria, to say the obvious.
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  Austria Begins Closing Mosques and Deporting Imams

  by cofty in

  1. social
  2. current

  austria, a member of the eu since 1995, is a country of 8.8 million people with a muslim population of around 600,000 mostly turkish immigrants.

  in 2015 it passed an 'islam law' prohibiting foreign funding of religious groups and creating a duty for muslim organisations to have 'a positive fundamental view towards state and society'.. many mosques in austria have continued to receive money from turkish muslim organisations so the new right-wing government have decided to enforce the law.

  seven mosques have been identified for closure and 60 imams are to be either deported or refused visas.

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  slimboyfat

  What measures do you think would work, SBF?

  The Austrian Turks I met were pretty regular people, not very religious, very “business” oriented, probably a bit more “traditional” in their view of women: basically they don’t like their wives talking to other men, is about as “extreme” as it gets. Where is the evidence of rampant extremism? No doubt there are a few individuals, because there always are. But is it worth alienating nearly 7% of your population over? Unless stigmatisation is actually the goal, not an unfortunate side effect. These measures look as if they are intended to target Turkish Austrians in particular. (Is the Catholic Church banned from sharing resources?) I don’t see how that helps anyone. It’s more likely to turn a few into radicals than it is to solve any problem.

  Left to their own devices Austrian Turks were well on the way to adopting “western” attitudes and behaviour. Now? Who knows!