Very interesting discussion on life after death with John Cleese.
We seem to be on the cusp of a paradigm shift because physicalism now seems very shaky indeed.
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Fewer Americans believe in GOD, yet they still believe in the afterlife.
by James Mixon inexcuse me, don't make sense to me.
what say you...
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Why the term "waking up?"
by Sour Grapes inis the term "waking up" the best way to describe when a jdub starts to have doubts?
to me, it is rather that a jdub realizes that what they have believed for years was a pack of lies and then they have to make a conscious decision if they want to continue to believe in lies or stop being a jdub or just go along for the ride.. it just amazes me how many die-hard jdubs there are despite every failed prophecy about the end coming, the borg being a part of the dreaded wild best united nations, the put down of women in the borg, the massive cover-up of the child abuse in the borg, the willingness to let a child die because they need blood, and the eagerness to shun a child who at the age of 10 got dunked to make mommy and daddy happy only to not want to be a jdub later and have the parents treat them like they are dead because 8 overweight, balding, goofy looking, incoherent men in upper state new york say that are the rules for being a christain.. jehovah's witnesses are a very sad cult that attracts people with emotional, psychological, or medical issues, have very large egos, can't make simple decisions, and believe in the tooth fairy..
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Proof of God
by MrDantastic ini'm an atheist as i do not see any evidence for the existance of a god.
i encourage critical thinking in everyone and am ready to debate anyone on whether or not there is a god and what that god might be like.
hmu..
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slimboyfat
Cofty I think it’s pretty clear that the God you don’t believe in doesn’t exist. We can agree on that.
It’s the ultimate God of the universe I think most are interested in,
You have a classic “yeti or Loch Ness monster theory of God” approach to the question, as described by Terry Eagleton. This is the idea that the existence of God can be approached the same way as the existence of a mythical creature can be proved on the basis of empirical evidence on a case by case basis. This theory doesn’t take into account that many believers do not conceive of God as a “thing” that can be evaluated in this manner. Indeed the approach assumes what it is supposed to prove: that if God exists he should conform to a reductive materialist conception of reality. And since no God can survive in this reductive materialist environment (as Loch Ness cannot sustain a monster or family of monsters) God is implicitly ruled out. But this process proves nothing other than the person’s prior commitment to a reductively material universe.
The problem with eliminating the gods one by one in the simplistic fashion that Dawkins and other atheists recommend, is that it apparently takes no account of the possibility that there may be a God with some basic features common to many faith traditions, but identical to none. Or to put it another way, it doesn’t allow for the possibility that existence is a common feature that religions have correct about God, but that the actual characteristics of God may not be fully apprehended by anyone.
If there is a God then it does not seem unreasonable to suppose that he may exist in a fashion which is not identical to any particular human conception of him. Or indeed in a way that is close to some or one tradition, but differs in some important respect. All of these options seem logically feasible, and entirely untouched by a simplistic process of eliminating human conceptions of God one by one.
All you are doing in this process is eliminating gods you don’t believe in. It is not touching the ultimate question of whether there is a God at all.
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New kingdom hall Washington State
by Are you serious inyesterday i drove passed a town a couple of hours from my home and saw this kh under construction.
this is the first new design kh i've seen in washington state even though i would think by now another one or two have been built.
maybe not with their financial situation being the way it is.
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slimboyfat
No one is saying Watchtower is collapsing. Watchtower is clearly collapsing. When you look at all the evidence it is difficult to deny, unless you’re Morph.
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The true meaning of "Jehovah" and the "overlapping generation" REVEALED!
by slimboyfat inthere has been some renewed interest in the meaning of the name jehovah on the forum in recent weeks.
combined with the ongoing discussion about the new "overlapping generation" teaching, speculation among the friends and among the ex-friends has been reaching something of a frenzy.
so it's perhaps appropriate that a little more should be revealed now about the meaning behind some of the perplexing events that have been taking place.
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slimboyfat
Aluminium? And make myself sick? Are you crazy?
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Proof of God
by MrDantastic ini'm an atheist as i do not see any evidence for the existance of a god.
i encourage critical thinking in everyone and am ready to debate anyone on whether or not there is a god and what that god might be like.
hmu..
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slimboyfat
According to YouTube the smartest man in the world says there is a God and heaven. And as I suspected, consciousness is the key. So there we have it folks!
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Fewer Americans believe in GOD, yet they still believe in the afterlife.
by James Mixon inexcuse me, don't make sense to me.
what say you...
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slimboyfat
In any survey you get a certain persentage whose answers simply make no sense, such as people who don’t believe in God but think the Bible is inspired by God or some such nonsense. The problem is words can be construed in many ways. For example someone might say God inspired the Bible the way angels inspired Michaelangelo. Or people may simply be careless in how they answer, or have genuine convictions that are inconsistent. All of us are capable of holding beliefs that are inconsistent if pursued to their logical conclusions (my belief I should drive my car and my belief that global warming is a bad thing). Sometimes people are just irrational too.
Having said all that, don’t Buddhists believe in an afterlife without God as such. So it’s not an unknown position, if a little unusual to western conceptions.
Plus you've got people with non traditional conceptions of God, that might fall outside most notions of “God”: such as pantheists, animists, panpsychists and so on.
Plus you get singularitains these days, some of whom seem to espouse a kind of afterlife without God.
So many possibilities in this amazingly unfathomable universe of ours.
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Sex and Rockets - Strange Angel CBS series and Charles Taze Russell
by truthseeker ini'm watching the cbs series strange angel.
it is based on a true story about jack parsons, who along with others, pioneered rocket development in 1930's america.. "strange angel, a drama series created by mark heyman (black swan, the wrestler) and based on george pendle's book of the same name, explores the dramatic intersection between genius and madness, science and science fiction.. the story follows the life of jack parsons, a mysterious and brilliant man in 1930s los angeles, who by day helps birth the entirely unknown discipline of american rocketry, and by night is a performer of sex magick rituals and a disciple to occultist aleister crowley.".
the jet propulsion laboratory is derived from jack parson's initials.
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slimboyfat
Aleister Crowley is an interesting character. Massimo Introvigne talks about him in a discussion on Satanism here. Apparently the name Crowley is pronounced crawly, as in creepy crawlies. Well worth watching.
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Sex and Rockets - Strange Angel CBS series and Charles Taze Russell
by truthseeker ini'm watching the cbs series strange angel.
it is based on a true story about jack parsons, who along with others, pioneered rocket development in 1930's america.. "strange angel, a drama series created by mark heyman (black swan, the wrestler) and based on george pendle's book of the same name, explores the dramatic intersection between genius and madness, science and science fiction.. the story follows the life of jack parsons, a mysterious and brilliant man in 1930s los angeles, who by day helps birth the entirely unknown discipline of american rocketry, and by night is a performer of sex magick rituals and a disciple to occultist aleister crowley.".
the jet propulsion laboratory is derived from jack parson's initials.
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Sex and Rockets - Strange Angel CBS series and Charles Taze Russell
by truthseeker ini'm watching the cbs series strange angel.
it is based on a true story about jack parsons, who along with others, pioneered rocket development in 1930's america.. "strange angel, a drama series created by mark heyman (black swan, the wrestler) and based on george pendle's book of the same name, explores the dramatic intersection between genius and madness, science and science fiction.. the story follows the life of jack parsons, a mysterious and brilliant man in 1930s los angeles, who by day helps birth the entirely unknown discipline of american rocketry, and by night is a performer of sex magick rituals and a disciple to occultist aleister crowley.".
the jet propulsion laboratory is derived from jack parson's initials.
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slimboyfat
Ha that’s fantastic! There is of course a whole genre of alternative history type books that love to make such weird and outlandish connections. Given the size and ubiquity of JWs it’s not at all strange that they should be included. I have sometimes thought there would be great scope for a Da Vinci Code-style mystery featuring JWs in all their wackiness. In fact I started a thread along those lines a few years ago that included the JW pioneers stopped at the Swiss border with billions of dollars in US bonds, the Methuselah Foundation (founded by a JW), Venus project, underground tunnels, and so on. All good conspiracy stuff.