When I was young... Red Cloud. The greatest chief of the Oglala Sioux, because he was brave and intelligent and he knew when to fight and when to stop fighting.
slimboyfat
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Who are your heroes in life??
by karter insomeone you looked up to some who did something amazing?.
i live in new zealand and 1 of mine is sir edmound hillary,a great yet humble man.. he and tenzing norgay were the 1st to reach the top of mt everest.it went to the grave with both of them who put there foot on top 1st,neather of them reviled that.. he did alot for the sherpa's of napal making sure they were payed well for their work as well as setting up schools there.. he came to my school and gave a speech then walked around the play ground talking to us children,his phone number was in the phone book and he would talk to anyone that rang him partially children doing a project on everest.. the british tryed to say that mallory and irvine may have made it to the top of everest years before,hillarys reply.....they may have but i made it down again.. karter..
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Developments in the India Branch
by MaxPayne inthe following letter was read in the congregation today.
it's for all the congregations in india.
i have pasted it as it was.
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slimboyfat
I absolutely agree there are more active JWs than Mormons and your figures are spot on too. Mormons claim a membership of 18 million, but worldwide “activity rates” average around 30%. So that indicates a worldwide active membership of around 5.4 million Mormons, which is well below the number of JW publishers which is over 8 million.
I am not as familiar with how SDAs count their members, but I think it’s likely there are more active SDAs members than JWs. There are some developing countries, such as India, where SDAs outnumber JWs ten to one, or more. In western countries JWs tend to outnumber SDAs, particularly in Europe.
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2018 JWBroadcasting "Higher education is useless" video CLIP
by Not_Culty insept 2018. https://vimeo.com/288327363.
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slimboyfat
Oh my goodness that was awful.
You can see their logic however. They undoubtedly receive countless reports from COs that young JWs who go to college leave the truth en masse. Since they believe that staying in the truth is the most important thing, they draw the reasonable conclusion that attending university is a moral danger. And so they issue these increasingly shrill warnings. The logic is sound. It’s the presmises that are flawed.
But have they also considered that their warnings against education are part of the problem? Because now, any JW who goes to collage, knows that he is being disobedient. He is being pushed into leaving the truth just by making the initial move because of the Watchtlwer rhetoric. If Watchtower was completely positive and supportive of higher education, would as many young people leave the truth? They obviously think more would leave the truth if more went to university. But I don’t think that’s necessarily the case. Most Mormons go to college for example, yet a high number of those emerge from education with their (nonless) idiosyncratic beliefs intact.
Fred Franz was half way through his degree when he gave up and joined Watchtower. I can’t help but wonder, if he had got that Watchtower tract in the post a year or two later, when he had competed his degree, might his attitude and the attitude of JWs to education have been different?
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Developments in the India Branch
by MaxPayne inthe following letter was read in the congregation today.
it's for all the congregations in india.
i have pasted it as it was.
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slimboyfat
Thanks for the further information. I was already aware that Bibles are produced in Japan and magazines in Germany, so this stacks up. It does appear to be real.
So what is going on here? Is Watchtower not really in financial trouble?
I think this letter is further evidence that Watchtower is in trouble.
Because, if Watchtower is short of money, what does it do with a branch like India where funds cannot simply be removed? I guess the logical answer is: sell them more literature, and promote growth using funds within the country in order to increase the number of JWs consuming that literature. Thus the weird situation where they are building more, distributing more literature, and hiring special pioneers in India, while they are doing the complete opposite elsewhere. (This theory does depend on the idea that Watchtower is able to charge the India branch for the cost of the imported literature. Can this be verified?)
Them saying that they have the funds to cover more literature, remote translation, and more special pioneers, but not enough funds for a smaller branch just sounds dodgy. But I guess JWs will accept it.
Around about 1999 or 2000 there was a lot of talk online about disruption/corruption/chaos in the India branch. And again a few months ago there was a similar story. I wonder how that ties in with the new changes.
I have always found it interesting that JWs have been relatively unsuccessful in spreading their message in India. They are much more numerous in the Philippines, for example. Plus other denominations such as the Seventh Day Adventists have many more members in India than JWs. SDAs have something like 1,500,000 members in India compared to only 50,000 JWs. I wonder if there is some reason JWs have been poor at gaining converts in India.
I guess the GB may also really believe in their mandate to promote the message to all languages possible, and they see India as prime location for promoting growth among lots of smaller language groups.
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Developments in the India Branch
by MaxPayne inthe following letter was read in the congregation today.
it's for all the congregations in india.
i have pasted it as it was.
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slimboyfat
They promised hundreds of new KHs in the US too... right before they halted construction and started selling off KHs.
If this letter is genuine, I think they are flat out lying. I don’t believe they intend to build many KHs, print more literature, and I especially don’t believe they intend to financially support greater numbers of special pioneers.
I do believe this is becoming their modus operandi for requesting greater donations however.
Or the letter is fake.
p.s. what did they mean when they say they don’t print their own literature. Do they pay a commercial company, or do their ship it from another branch?
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(How) Will The Slow and Subtle WT Internal Shift Affect Us?
by Solzhenitsyn inas a "deep pimo" i can say that there is a confirmed re-branding.
the coordinators committee formed a focus group from service and teaching committees.
the results of that group roughly three+ years ago, with gb approval, trickled down to the other committees and eventually into what we have been seeing before our eyes in the org and local congs.. pick an organizational level and see the shift.
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slimboyfat
In terms of words of content I would be surprised if they published in 2018 as much as 10% of the material published in 2000 or earlier.
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(How) Will The Slow and Subtle WT Internal Shift Affect Us?
by Solzhenitsyn inas a "deep pimo" i can say that there is a confirmed re-branding.
the coordinators committee formed a focus group from service and teaching committees.
the results of that group roughly three+ years ago, with gb approval, trickled down to the other committees and eventually into what we have been seeing before our eyes in the org and local congs.. pick an organizational level and see the shift.
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slimboyfat
But do they still write? They’ve cut the yearbooks, the annual book and brochure releases, and they’ve cut the public Watchtower and Awake back to almost nothing.
The only written content they still regularly produce is the Study Watchtower. Will even that last? Maybe they’ll replace it with a half hour Watchtower video, followed by review questions. Sounds ridiculous, but it’s the way they’re going.
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(How) Will The Slow and Subtle WT Internal Shift Affect Us?
by Solzhenitsyn inas a "deep pimo" i can say that there is a confirmed re-branding.
the coordinators committee formed a focus group from service and teaching committees.
the results of that group roughly three+ years ago, with gb approval, trickled down to the other committees and eventually into what we have been seeing before our eyes in the org and local congs.. pick an organizational level and see the shift.
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slimboyfat
I think they’re going to stop publishing the numbers sooner or later, which means stopping collecting numbers too. So it would make sense to begin adjusting the focus away from numbers, but probably toward organisational loyalty and reliable reputation, rather than good all round character.
But I just don’t think JWs without books makes any sense. It won’t fly. Publishing and studying texts is essentially what it is to be a JW. It’s like trying to have a bat without wings.
We are witnessing, not the transformation of the organisation, but rather its collpase.
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District Assemblies now being held at Circuit Assembly locations?
by ShirleyW ini haven't been to a kh in decades, so i get the google alerts for jws and i got one featuring a local news channel in brooklyn covering the assembly being held in flatbush, brooklyn.
i'm sure that venue is where the circuit assemblies are usually held, keeping in mind it's summer and that's when the district assemblies are being held.
why are they acting like they're so strapped for cash and now holding district assemblies in circuit assemblies locations ?.
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slimboyfat
Where are the figures from?
I guess conventions don’t make as much these days since they stopped releases.
Plus it probably costs quite a bit to heat, air condition, maintain and repair assembly halls. They’re getting increasingly desperate, and the cutbacks they make tend also to reduce donations. It’s a vicious circle. Can they avert disaster?
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District Assemblies now being held at Circuit Assembly locations?
by ShirleyW ini haven't been to a kh in decades, so i get the google alerts for jws and i got one featuring a local news channel in brooklyn covering the assembly being held in flatbush, brooklyn.
i'm sure that venue is where the circuit assemblies are usually held, keeping in mind it's summer and that's when the district assemblies are being held.
why are they acting like they're so strapped for cash and now holding district assemblies in circuit assemblies locations ?.
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slimboyfat
Latest cutback attempt to avert collapse. Will it succeed or collapse continue?