Posts by slimboyfat

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Who Do You Think Will Be The Nominees For President In The Next US Election?

by minimus in

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i think trump will be the nominee for the republicans and the democrats... i have no clue.

i hope bernie sanders runs again and wonder if hillary would dare go for a rematch..

slimboyfat

I heard it’s a run off between Kanye West and Lisa Simpson.

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What was the EXACT exJW website you first visited and why EXACTLY did you visit it?

by ILoveTTATT2 in

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i had two episodes of visiting exjw websites:one time around 2007 when i just googled "jehovah´s witnesses" and dared to look at those sites.

i was scared and i promised myself i would never come back to them.

however, that one didn´t really count.the moment that woke me up was this:i got to know that whitney heichel was a jw and murdered by another jw, because i overheard that conversation in a kingdom hall.i looked up the news and in one of the news comments, there was one where an exjw was complaining that they were hijacking her funeral and they were really trying to downplay the fact that her murderer was a jw... and then it said "visit jwfacts.com"... which i did.and the rest... is history.what exactly got you onto an apostate website when you woke up?

slimboyfat

Can’t remember exactly, it was 1999/2000 and some of the first I read included:

Reachout Trust (in particular the forum)

Freeminds

Beyond Jehovah’s Witnesses (I don’t think this exists any more)

Carm (an American countercult website)

Watchtower Observer

Rick Ross

JWD (this forum, as was)

But actually more important were some of the pro-JW sites I was visiting at the time: Jehovah’s Witnesses United, Heinz Schmitz’s “theology” website, Great Crowd forum, Brenton Hepburn (what happened to him?), In Defense of the New World Translation, and more.

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How many JW´s spend their whole lives being JW´s?

by ILoveTTATT2 in

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ever since i became an exjw activist... i have wondered, how many people can i hope to reach?.

what are the odds that my parents and loved ones will live out the remainder of their lives as jehovah´s witnesses?.

is there a way to calculate the odds that any jw will remain a jw for the rest of their lives?.

slimboyfat

Most stay in, but perhaps that’s beginning to change. One of the things that cause people to leave sometimes is if they move to a different city and don’t make friends in the new congregation. Or if they get disfellowshipped and don’t got back. Or they pursue a new interest such as education or a career or business or hobby that requires a lot of time and they become immersed.

Coming to that, I do know a couple of sisters who refused to go to their assigned congregation. They attended another congregation for a while then became inactive. So I do wonder if there will be an impact from all the KH reorganisation that is going on.

Plus there is the phenomenon that very elderly JWs tend to disconnect, mainly because JWs are extremely poor at including older people in their community when they stop engaging in the preaching work.

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Serena William is 'fighting for women'?!

by LoveUniHateExams in

so serena williams lost the us open final 6-2, 6-4 to naomi osaka, her japanese-american opponent.. williams received three code violations from the umpire, carlos ramos: .

1. a warning for illegal coaching (subsequently admitted by williams's coach).

2. a point penalty for smashing her racquet.

slimboyfat

I think it’s clear that Serena Williams broke the rules and the penalties are justified from that point of view. The other issue is the claim that men are not penalised when they break the same rules because umpires show discretion when applying the rules, and in practice apply them to men and women differently. If that claim is true then it’s worth trying to fix. Serena Williams complicates the issue because she behaves discourteously and self-centredly. But the point at issue should really be evaluated on the facts themselves: whether the rules are being applied differently to men and women.

For example it’s illegal to drive over 30mph in town and anyone caught over that speed is breaking the law that is clear. At the same time, if police made a habit of charging women driving over 30mph with speeding, but not men driving over 30mph, we would say there is a problem with that. Not because people breaking the law shouldn’t be charged, but because laws should be applied fairly.

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Serena William is 'fighting for women'?!

by LoveUniHateExams in

so serena williams lost the us open final 6-2, 6-4 to naomi osaka, her japanese-american opponent.. williams received three code violations from the umpire, carlos ramos: .

1. a warning for illegal coaching (subsequently admitted by williams's coach).

2. a point penalty for smashing her racquet.

slimboyfat

But it's not really the same offence - a woman removing her top is very different to a man removing his top. Only in bizarro-leftist world where there are no differences between men and women is it the same

In the woman’s case she had a sports bra on, which is effectively a top. So I think it is roughly equivalent, and pretty bizarre to penalise a woman for wearing a sports bra (briefly, apologetically and in a corner) and not a man for wearing nothing. (Openly and for extended periods)

How on earth can sexism be a factor when it's two women playing against each other?

The claim was that men are not punished for the same offence because they are viewed as being “passionate about the game”, whereas a woman is punished for the same offence because she is “throwing a hissy fit”. I don’t know if that claim is true or not. She would need to point to credible examples where men are not punished for the same offence.

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Serena William is 'fighting for women'?!

by LoveUniHateExams in

so serena williams lost the us open final 6-2, 6-4 to naomi osaka, her japanese-american opponent.. williams received three code violations from the umpire, carlos ramos: .

1. a warning for illegal coaching (subsequently admitted by williams's coach).

2. a point penalty for smashing her racquet.

slimboyfat

She claimed that men are not punished for the same offence. Whether she has a point or not all depends on that fact being true or not. So I would be interested to know what the facts are.

There was another case recently where a woman was penalised for removing her shirt whereas men who do the same are not penalised. In fact she had a sports bra on and turned away from the crowd, whereas men sometimes sit without shirt with no punishment. The punishment in that case was bizarre. So sexist rulings do occur in tennis. The question is whether Serena Williams is correct that men are not punished for the same offence. If that is true she may have a point.

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Who are your heroes in life??

by karter in

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someone you looked up to some who did something amazing?.

i live in new zealand and 1 of mine is sir edmound hillary,a great yet humble man.. he and tenzing norgay were the 1st to reach the top of mt everest.it went to the grave with both of them who put there foot on top 1st,neather of them reviled that.. he did alot for the sherpa's of napal making sure they were payed well for their work as well as setting up schools there.. he came to my school and gave a speech then walked around the play ground talking to us children,his phone number was in the phone book and he would talk to anyone that rang him partially children doing a project on everest.. the british tryed to say that mallory and irvine may have made it to the top of everest years before,hillarys reply.....they may have but i made it down again.. karter..

slimboyfat

When I was young... Red Cloud. The greatest chief of the Oglala Sioux, because he was brave and intelligent and he knew when to fight and when to stop fighting.

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Developments in the India Branch

by MaxPayne in

the following letter was read in the congregation today.

it's for all the congregations in india.

i have pasted it as it was.

slimboyfat

I absolutely agree there are more active JWs than Mormons and your figures are spot on too. Mormons claim a membership of 18 million, but worldwide “activity rates” average around 30%. So that indicates a worldwide active membership of around 5.4 million Mormons, which is well below the number of JW publishers which is over 8 million.

I am not as familiar with how SDAs count their members, but I think it’s likely there are more active SDAs members than JWs. There are some developing countries, such as India, where SDAs outnumber JWs ten to one, or more. In western countries JWs tend to outnumber SDAs, particularly in Europe.

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2018 JWBroadcasting "Higher education is useless" video CLIP

by Not_Culty in

sept 2018. https://vimeo.com/288327363.

slimboyfat

Oh my goodness that was awful.

You can see their logic however. They undoubtedly receive countless reports from COs that young JWs who go to college leave the truth en masse. Since they believe that staying in the truth is the most important thing, they draw the reasonable conclusion that attending university is a moral danger. And so they issue these increasingly shrill warnings. The logic is sound. It’s the presmises that are flawed.

But have they also considered that their warnings against education are part of the problem? Because now, any JW who goes to collage, knows that he is being disobedient. He is being pushed into leaving the truth just by making the initial move because of the Watchtlwer rhetoric. If Watchtower was completely positive and supportive of higher education, would as many young people leave the truth? They obviously think more would leave the truth if more went to university. But I don’t think that’s necessarily the case. Most Mormons go to college for example, yet a high number of those emerge from education with their (nonless) idiosyncratic beliefs intact.

Fred Franz was half way through his degree when he gave up and joined Watchtower. I can’t help but wonder, if he had got that Watchtower tract in the post a year or two later, when he had competed his degree, might his attitude and the attitude of JWs to education have been different?

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Developments in the India Branch

by MaxPayne in

the following letter was read in the congregation today.

it's for all the congregations in india.

i have pasted it as it was.

slimboyfat

Thanks for the further information. I was already aware that Bibles are produced in Japan and magazines in Germany, so this stacks up. It does appear to be real.

So what is going on here? Is Watchtower not really in financial trouble?

I think this letter is further evidence that Watchtower is in trouble.

Because, if Watchtower is short of money, what does it do with a branch like India where funds cannot simply be removed? I guess the logical answer is: sell them more literature, and promote growth using funds within the country in order to increase the number of JWs consuming that literature. Thus the weird situation where they are building more, distributing more literature, and hiring special pioneers in India, while they are doing the complete opposite elsewhere. (This theory does depend on the idea that Watchtower is able to charge the India branch for the cost of the imported literature. Can this be verified?)

Them saying that they have the funds to cover more literature, remote translation, and more special pioneers, but not enough funds for a smaller branch just sounds dodgy. But I guess JWs will accept it.

Around about 1999 or 2000 there was a lot of talk online about disruption/corruption/chaos in the India branch. And again a few months ago there was a similar story. I wonder how that ties in with the new changes.

I have always found it interesting that JWs have been relatively unsuccessful in spreading their message in India. They are much more numerous in the Philippines, for example. Plus other denominations such as the Seventh Day Adventists have many more members in India than JWs. SDAs have something like 1,500,000 members in India compared to only 50,000 JWs. I wonder if there is some reason JWs have been poor at gaining converts in India.

I guess the GB may also really believe in their mandate to promote the message to all languages possible, and they see India as prime location for promoting growth among lots of smaller language groups.