Can report general confusion. An elder reading out the letter added a comment to the effect: “at this stage the elders don’t know any more than you do about the new arrangement, or how it is going to work”. Elders meetings followed the meeting. One defiant pioneer sister commented, “this will turn out to our benefit”, with no explanation how. Some others showed little interest.
slimboyfat
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Reaction to GDPR / field service letter
by sir82 inhere is a thread on the new letter to be read to all congregations in all branches on adjustments in door to door work due to the gdpr:.
https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/6274619758608384/2019-boe-elders-letter-may-13-england-ireland-data-protection.
i have...connections....to a foreign language congregation in europe.
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2019 BOE Elders letter May 13 England - Ireland Data Protection
by Not_Culty inhttps://tinyurl.com/y2bzncu9.
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slimboyfat
Any reactions from JWs? I was tempted to talk to JWs at carts about it, but I didn’t see any today.
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2019 BOE Elders letter May 13 England - Ireland Data Protection
by Not_Culty inhttps://tinyurl.com/y2bzncu9.
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slimboyfat
Half of them are made up? Seems optimistic.
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Need some advice, my gf just tried to commit suicide (very long post)
by Jayk insorry for the grammar and spelling errors if any..(me 29 raised in the org) (gf 25 not raised) just left her at the hospital with (call her sara).. sara had just ingested half a bottle of her antidepressant pill and half a bottle of melatonin.
this took place after a discussion we where having about a recent event that took place.
long story short, sara told me she slept with my best friend/coworker(call him tim) after a argument we had, the morning after it supposedly happened.. i was pretty torn but i was maintaining and i even thought sara was lying because tim was such a good friend.
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slimboyfat
Run and don’t look back!
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New Light on the 144,000?
by Ding insomeone on facebook is claiming to have reliable information that the gb is about to announce new light on the 144,000 -- that it's symbolic, not literal.. one person suggested that they will retain the two-class teaching and just change the meaning of 144,000. his idea was that the change would avoid three problems with the current teaching:.
1. embarrassment over more and more partakers at the memorial when the number should be getting less and less.. 2. embarrassment over 12 symbolic 12,000s somehow equaling a literal 144,000.. 3. solving the problem of running out of "anointed" ones who are old enough to be on the gb.. thoughts?.
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slimboyfat
I can totally see this being a thing. Partakers are what, over 20,000 now? They have to do something to explain it. Calling new partakers crazy isn’t a long term solution, is it?
It’s a bit embarrassing to admit a major and distinctive JW teaching has been wrong all this time. At the same time they abandoned the traditional JW teaching on the faithful slave, apparently without much sense of embarrassment. And despite the fact it makes nonsense of much of their own history and how the organisation developed.
The GB apparently don’t embarrass easily. And they are not unduly concerned about what ordinary JWs think. So why not make this change?
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2019 BOE Elders letter May 13 England - Ireland Data Protection
by Not_Culty inhttps://tinyurl.com/y2bzncu9.
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slimboyfat
According to the letter the single exception for making notes is where the householder instructs not to call again. In that case the publisher is supposed to make a note and keep it with the map.
So the only record JWs will have from their ministry is a list of people who are actively hostile to their message - genius!
But I don’t even understand how this is an exception. Why are JWs allowed to make a note even in the case of “do not call” if they are to make no notes at all? The law seems pretty draconian and unworkable to me.
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2019 BOE Elders letter May 13 England - Ireland Data Protection
by Not_Culty inhttps://tinyurl.com/y2bzncu9.
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slimboyfat
Could I point out that this letter is addressed to Britain and Ireland, not England and Ireland - for some of us, not a trivial distinction.
The letter says you can “arrange a return visit” but you are not allowed to record their name or address. How are you supposed to do that?
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2019 BOE Elders letter May 13 England - Ireland Data Protection
by Not_Culty inhttps://tinyurl.com/y2bzncu9.
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slimboyfat
Presumably they have sent letters to foreign language congregations to explain how on earth this is supposed to work. Or will they just leave them to their own devices?
I can imagine a lot of pioneers being quite distressed about the pointlessness of ministry after this change. And pioneers in foreign language congregations times ten. They will feel confused and abandoned.
Watchtower must have been pretty scared of being fined to make this change.
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2019 BOE Elders letter May 13 England - Ireland Data Protection
by Not_Culty inhttps://tinyurl.com/y2bzncu9.
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slimboyfat
Stopping not at homes will be a relief, and not a big deal. But how is the ministry supposed to function without taking notes for return visits? It doesn’t seem feasible. Who would want to pioneer when there is not even the prospect of making progress with calls?
Are publishers even allowed to ask the householder if they can take a note for a return visit. The letter doesn’t make any allowance for that. Apparently it’s no notes at all! Did I pick up right, that they are allowed to give householders their phone numbers? But how many householders are going to take the initiative to contact? Zero, I suspect. And what publisher wants to hand out their number to first calls anyway? Unless to arrange a rendezvous, which does happen I suppose. My imagination is getting carried away.
And how are foreign language congregations supposed to locate and visit people in the target language? It seems impossible.
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2004 10-year project?
by careful ini just finished the barb anderson video linked here:.
https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5430694403637248/interesting-interview-barbra-anderson.
of course, a lot is present there, but one thing hit me.
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slimboyfat
That struck me too, among others details in an extraordinary interview. (Comments on Franz, Jaracz, Knorr and Peolyan, among others)
I don’t think Anderson mentioned her source for this information about a 10 year plan, though no doubt it’s good. There have been a few comments on this forum over the years about such a plan: those could have been genuine leaks that have partially filtered out.
At the same time, just because they had a plan in 2004, doesn’t mean they had all the details worked out back then, or that everything necessarily went to plan. In some ways there is evidence that the plan predates 2004, since GB members are known to have commented, following 9/11 in New York, “we’re getting out of here in case that happens again”. And the move upstate has been a huge change,
The GB in 2004 couldn’t have predicted the importance of tablet devices, the iPhone/iPad not having been invented yet, which has been a major driver of their move to digital and away from print. They also appear to have been overtaken by financial crisis in 2015, indicating that the extent of their cutbacks was not entirely anticipated as early as 2004. Plus they presumably did not plan to handle the abuse issue quite as badly as they have in the Australian Royal Commision and elsewhere, which has been a pressure for change and downscaling.
And Jaracz was still in charge in 2004. Was this his plan? Did the plan change at all after he died?