Posts by slimboyfat

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Are Witnesses advised not to get into discussion’s about evolution with HH?

by Diogenesister in

just before the last memorial, i finally had a witness call with an invite ( i say finally because i haven’t seen anyone in the d 2 d preaching work for going on 5 years!)..

i wasn’t particularly prepared ( it being early and me still in my nightie!

) but i managed to collect myself and said i didn’t think i wanted to go since i discovered the scandal around the un.....and i outlined the facts.. jw: oh no i don’t think so, where on earth did you read that?.

slimboyfat

JWs don’t want to discuss things in general but especially evolution. I tried to discuss evolution with an elder once and he wasn’t having it at all. He shut that conversation right down. He just said he believes in God and that’s good enough for him, end of story. He’s the sort of elder who regularly makes comments about Jehovah’s “loving” and “wonderful” organisation. You get the sense with some JWs that belief in the organisation comes first and is more important than anything else. More important than defending belief in God even, as illogical as that seems.

I wonder if Watchtower will ever accept evolution? About the same time they accept homosexual people, I suppose. It might take another ten or twenty years.

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I Am Now Officially an O.B.E member

by smiddy3 in

hi friends ,.

i just thought i should share with you my entry into the o.b.e.

club on this 5th of july.not everybody makes it and to tell you the truth ,i never thought i would.

slimboyfat

Can you say, how does the citation read?

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The site that shall not be named ...

by Afterburn in

i know people are concerned about adding positively to jw stats on the site that shall not be named, but i don't think the argument is a valid one, because they are going to see cause to brag on themselves whether the stats rise, stagnate, or fall.

it's built into their self-conceits.

here's the menu you get when you create a user account on that site.. .

slimboyfat

That is true. But it does otherwise seem to be addressing a particular usual scenario. I am not sure what the intent of the Wathtower writer was because it seems ambiguous, and I’ve not read the original QFR. It is certainly possible the writer really meant to say that all DFed people are an “unwanted intrusion”, but I’m not 100% sure.

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Who made it that way?

by nicolaou in

it's infuriating because it's so childish.

you can explain how a rainbow appears because sunlight is refracted under the right conditions but you'll get asked;.

"so who made those conditions that way?".

slimboyfat

It seems like a reasonable question to me! Although I would pose the question at a more fundamental level than, why a rainbow, or why currents in the sea. I would ask why the world is set up in such a way, and with intrinsic rules and patterns, that allow all such phenomena to even develop and exist. Or why there is anything at all, that can be subject to these sorts of patterns and formations. But ultimately maybe it is the same question. Because it’s not that awareness of the possibility of God means that every dumb thing that happens must has a superfluous “reason” attached to it. (“I must have dropped my toast for a reason”) It’s rather the fact that the world exists at all permeates all that we encounter with such intrinsic meaning that everything makes sense at fundamental level, even if all the parts only make sense, either in relation to one another, or apparently not at all.

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The site that shall not be named ...

by Afterburn in

i know people are concerned about adding positively to jw stats on the site that shall not be named, but i don't think the argument is a valid one, because they are going to see cause to brag on themselves whether the stats rise, stagnate, or fall.

it's built into their self-conceits.

here's the menu you get when you create a user account on that site.. .

slimboyfat

I’m a bit unclear, but the 1953 WT seems to be talking about a specific situation where someone turns apostate, joins another religion, but for some reason still wants to attend the KH with a spouse. Which seems a strange scenario, but might explain the “unwanted intrusion” comment. It may not be a blanket statement that all DFed people are unwelcome, but there is enough Watchtower imprecision and ambiguity that it’s not entirely clear. Ironic since this QFR was apparently prompted by yet more imprecise language in an earlier QFR.

I do find it interesting that the 1953 article disallows the DFed person from sitting with family, because more recently Watchtower has claimed that they place no formal restrictions on where DFed people can sit in the KH.

When I was young it was traditional for DFed people to sit at the back in shame, sometimes quite a few. These days there are no DFed people at the back any more, just sick and nervous people who prefer to sit at the back for one reason or another.

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NBA Player Retires to Serve as Jehovah's Witness

by 720Reddog in

jw
friends

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/27078092/collison-retires-nba-31-focus-faith .

slimboyfat

Who was the footballer who gave up football because of 1975? Has anyone got any clippings?

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No longer Hidden

by HiddenPimo in

i wrote a letter some time ago and to my surprise and despite the elders manual saying that a letter is sufficient for establishing 'wrongdoing' they would not announce me as no longer a jw until i met with 2 elders to verbally acknowledge that the letter was written by me.. .

well yesterday i met with them and the meeting lasted 2 minutes.

"did you write the letter?

slimboyfat

Firstly congratulations on a step that you are ready to make.

Personally I’m pleased that they take care to verify a letter. What sort of chaos could ensue if any letter purporting to be from anyone was believed? The elders book probably means a letter that is handed over personally. But as is often the case the elders book is terribly imprecise and open to many interpretations.

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Kids being disfellowshipped

by Nikki collins in

so some ex-jws and i were at dinner last night talking about how some of the ones baptized this year were so young.

a few under the age of 10!!

can you imagine if a kid got dfd at that age.... would the congregation shun them?

slimboyfat

I wonder if a campaign specifically against the legal right of Watchtower to disfellowship children could gain momentum. Many argue that disfellowshipping in general is a religious freedom and shouldn’t be legally challenged by former JWs. What about DFing children? That seems more difficult to defend morally, and perhaps legally. If Watchtower was legally banned from DFing people under 18 I wonder how they would react.

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Jesus in a Super Hero Cape

by iloowy.goowy in

have you see the latest fashion for jesus in the wt?.

he's sporting a cape, just like superman!maybe caleb can get a t-shirt with a j logo instead of an s.. .

slimboyfat

On the fantasy/superhero theme, I heard a comment at the meeting about Jehovah bringing people back to life “with a snap of his fingers” like a superhero (Stone Man, or something) from the latest Avengers film who brings people back to life by snapping his fingers. I thought it was striking someone would actually make this comparison in a meeting.

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Walter F. Salter

by OrionLoki in

hello everyone, this is my first strictly historical theme:.

walter f. salter was the overseer of the branch office in canada in years 1918-1936. in 1936 he was dismissed from that function, and in 1937 he was disfellowshipped from the organization.. does anybody know his further history?

did he join any christian denomination?

slimboyfat

On a hot summer’s day the full quote may have been: “is that Walter Salter on the helter skelter in this summer swelter?”