This passage has been misinterpreted to argue that … [it means what it says]
I’m detecting a pattern here.
slimboyfat
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The point of existence and how it refutes the Trinity
by slimboyfat inrowan williams, the former archbishop of canterbury gave an interesting answer to the somewhat stark question, what’s the point of us existing?
as a christian, my starting point is that we exist because the most fundamental form of activity, energy, call it what you like, that is there, is love.
that is, it’s a willingness that the other should be.
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slimboyfat
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The point of existence and how it refutes the Trinity
by slimboyfat inrowan williams, the former archbishop of canterbury gave an interesting answer to the somewhat stark question, what’s the point of us existing?
as a christian, my starting point is that we exist because the most fundamental form of activity, energy, call it what you like, that is there, is love.
that is, it’s a willingness that the other should be.
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And even if there be not as yet any one who is worthy to be called a son of God, nevertheless let him labour earnestly to be adorned according to his first-born word, the eldest of his angels, as the great archangel of many names; for he is called, the authority, and the name of God, and the Word, and man according to God's image, and he who sees Israel. Philo of Alexandria, On The Confusion of Tongues, 146.
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The point of existence and how it refutes the Trinity
by slimboyfat inrowan williams, the former archbishop of canterbury gave an interesting answer to the somewhat stark question, what’s the point of us existing?
as a christian, my starting point is that we exist because the most fundamental form of activity, energy, call it what you like, that is there, is love.
that is, it’s a willingness that the other should be.
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slimboyfat
It’s not whether I consider them Arian. It’s the fact that they don’t hold to Arian theology and don’t consider themselves Arian. Unitarian Universalists are not Arian at all, not even close. Neither are Christadelphians, Biblical Unitarians, or others aqwsed listed.
Perhaps the closest you mentioned is the Mormons. I don’t know if they describe themselves as Arian though. Obviously JWs also reject the label Arian but they do agree with Arius on some crucial features including Jesus’ being God’s first creation. This will apply to some of the tiny Russellite groups too I imagine.
But what I was interested in is the non JW authors aqwsed alluded to who argue for an Arian position. The only one I know is Danny Andre Dixon. I’d be interested to find out about others.
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The point of existence and how it refutes the Trinity
by slimboyfat inrowan williams, the former archbishop of canterbury gave an interesting answer to the somewhat stark question, what’s the point of us existing?
as a christian, my starting point is that we exist because the most fundamental form of activity, energy, call it what you like, that is there, is love.
that is, it’s a willingness that the other should be.
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slimboyfat
The only no JW Arian writer I've come across (apart from former JWs such as Greg Stafford and Rolf Furuli) is Danny Andre Dixon. I'd be interested to know if there are others.
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The point of existence and how it refutes the Trinity
by slimboyfat inrowan williams, the former archbishop of canterbury gave an interesting answer to the somewhat stark question, what’s the point of us existing?
as a christian, my starting point is that we exist because the most fundamental form of activity, energy, call it what you like, that is there, is love.
that is, it’s a willingness that the other should be.
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slimboyfat
Ah, okay, they are not Arians, because they don't believe Jesus lived in heaven before coming to earth.
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The point of existence and how it refutes the Trinity
by slimboyfat inrowan williams, the former archbishop of canterbury gave an interesting answer to the somewhat stark question, what’s the point of us existing?
as a christian, my starting point is that we exist because the most fundamental form of activity, energy, call it what you like, that is there, is love.
that is, it’s a willingness that the other should be.
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slimboyfat
Many modern Arians, like Jehovah’s Witnesses, claim that early Christian thinkers like Justin Martyr denied the full divinity of Christ …
Do you know of many modern Arians apart from JWs? Can you point me to non-JW Arians who make this “claim”? There probably are, I just don’t know where they are of what they’ve written. I’d be interested to know.
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The point of existence and how it refutes the Trinity
by slimboyfat inrowan williams, the former archbishop of canterbury gave an interesting answer to the somewhat stark question, what’s the point of us existing?
as a christian, my starting point is that we exist because the most fundamental form of activity, energy, call it what you like, that is there, is love.
that is, it’s a willingness that the other should be.
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slimboyfat
You imply that the phrase …
I’m not implying anything. Justin Martyr’s words speak for themselves, as do your attempts to make his words mean the opposite of what he said.
I shall attempt to persuade you, since you have understood the Scriptures, [of the truth] of what I say, that there is, and that there is said to be, another God and Lord subject to the Maker of all things; who is also called an Angel, because He announces to men whatsoever the Maker of all things— above whom there is no other God — wishes to announce to them. Justin Martyr, Dialogue with Trypho, 56
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The point of existence and how it refutes the Trinity
by slimboyfat inrowan williams, the former archbishop of canterbury gave an interesting answer to the somewhat stark question, what’s the point of us existing?
as a christian, my starting point is that we exist because the most fundamental form of activity, energy, call it what you like, that is there, is love.
that is, it’s a willingness that the other should be.
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slimboyfat
Hence are we called atheists. And we confess that we are atheists, so far as gods of this sort are concerned, but not with respect to the most true God, the Father of righteousness and temperance and the other virtues, who is free from all impurity. But both Him, and the Son (who came forth from Him and taught us these things, and the host of the other good angels who follow and are made like to Him), and the prophetic Spirit, we worship and adore, knowing them in reason and truth, and declaring without grudging to every one who wishes to learn, as we have been taught. Justin Martyr, First Apology 6.
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Trump Tariffs started today, Some Countries Caved in early morning.
by liam inusa politicians in charge of the economy for the past 50 years were too stupid to understand how the economy works.
this just proves my theory, that an education on the top tier universities just sucks and means nothing in the real world, unless its in the stem education.
for 50 years usa had zero tariffs on other countries.
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slimboyfat
Trump imposed a 10% tariff on the Heard and McDonald Islands inhabited only by penguins. 🐧 🐧 🐧 😮 😆
America you are being governed by a clown and all y’all pretending this insanity makes any sense are showing yourselves up big time. Power is slipping away in real time as countries round the world make other arrangements that don’t rely on the whims of a madman and his enablers.
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Trump Tariffs started today, Some Countries Caved in early morning.
by liam inusa politicians in charge of the economy for the past 50 years were too stupid to understand how the economy works.
this just proves my theory, that an education on the top tier universities just sucks and means nothing in the real world, unless its in the stem education.
for 50 years usa had zero tariffs on other countries.
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slimboyfat
It’s the death throes of an empire desperately trying to cling on to its power. To quote another US president, “this sucker is going down” and it won’t be pretty and may just succeed in taking the rest of the world down with it.