According to Dan McCellan, and my own reading of the subject confirms this, it’s the consensus among scholars that Justin believed the Son is a second god subordinate to the God who created all things. Justin Martyr’s theology is incompatible with later Nicene Trinitarianism. The fact that you can prompt AI to insist otherwise using a lot of flowery language and specious long-winded arguments doesn’t alter that.
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Should Jesus be worshipped?
by Melody incan anyone explain why jesus should or should not be worshipped?.
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Should Jesus be worshipped?
by Melody incan anyone explain why jesus should or should not be worshipped?.
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slimboyfat
Theos without the article may not automatically mean “a god” rather than “the God”, but when the authors explicitly make that distinction themselves, as Philo, Justin Matryr, and Origen do, then it’s fair to accept they mean what they say when the make a distinction between the God and a second subordinate god. This video has a good explanation in relation to Justin Martyr by Bible scholar Dan McClellan.
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Should Jesus be worshipped?
by Melody incan anyone explain why jesus should or should not be worshipped?.
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slimboyfat
Your objection, which seeks to deflate the Christological force …
Yet more AI crap. Do you have a single thought of your own?
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Should Jesus be worshipped?
by Melody incan anyone explain why jesus should or should not be worshipped?.
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slimboyfat
Can’t be bothered reading that. Do you anywhere address why you lied about proskuneo in the LXX? And can you explain why should I bother reading any of the AI text you post when it is laced with falsehoods? You can answer in a sentence or two no need for all the diversionary verbiage.
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Should Jesus be worshipped?
by Melody incan anyone explain why jesus should or should not be worshipped?.
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slimboyfat
A quick scan of the AI text shows at least one shockingly misleading comment:
The attempted analogy with 1 Chronicles 29.20, sometimes marshalled to prove that a human king could be “worshipped” in a merely civil sense, collapses under textual scrutiny. The Masoretic Hebrew employs the verb shachah for both God and David, but shachah corresponds in the Septuagint not to proskuneō but to a broader semantic field, and modern critical translations judiciously render the second object “did homage to the king.”
In fact the LXX does use proskuneō in this verse. The above is just a pile of flowery nonsense. How many more factual errors and distortions I cannot be bothered to begin working out. What a waste of everyone’s time it would be if anyone was actually reading these stupid AI posts, which apparently they are not in any case.
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Should Jesus be worshipped?
by Melody incan anyone explain why jesus should or should not be worshipped?.
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The question of whether Jesus of Nazareth ought to receive the cultic devotion that the New Testament directs exclusively to the God of Israel can scarcely be adjudicated by appealing to isolated proof-texts or by counting lexical occurrences.
Neither can it scarcely be settled by asking AI to write pile of text in flowery language to buttress your preferred position.
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Should Jesus be worshipped?
by Melody incan anyone explain why jesus should or should not be worshipped?.
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The king of Israel was worshipped alongside God (1 Chron 29:20) and Jesus himself said that the saints would be worshipped (Rev 3:9), but as for the highest form of sacrificial worship (latreuo), as Jesus said, that is given only to God. It is never applied to Jesus.
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Should Jesus be worshipped?
by Melody incan anyone explain why jesus should or should not be worshipped?.
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slimboyfat
Jesus himself answered this question at Matt 4:10
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Col 2:16, the scripture that blows away all of WT's Pharasitical man-made rules and cult guilt trips
by WingCommander incolossians 2:16.
"ironically enough, i never even knew about this bible verse until i had grown up and was pomo of the watchtower cult.
read it, then read it again.
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Results from previous page:
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Applying the facial hair change in New Order portrayals
by careful ini have a hard time watching the org's vids and reading the publications.
however, that's not the case with others here.
hence this post.
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slimboyfat
careful, further to your query on this thread, I happened to be reading the book Jesus and the Angels: Angelology and the Christology of the Apocalypse of John by Peter Carrell, and on page 83 he notes that the patriarch Adam is depicted as having a beard at the gates to the heavenly paradise. I looked it up and sure enough, in the Testament of Abraham chapter 11 the exalted Adam is said to pull at his beard in frustration. I don’t think WT would accept this as evidence about facial hair in the new system (is official doctrine that Adam will not have a resurrection anyway?) but here it is:
11. So Michael turned the chariot and brought Abraham to the east, to the first gate of heaven; and Abraham saw two ways, the one narrow and contracted, the other broad and spacious, and there he saw two gates, the one broad on the broad way, and the other narrow on the narrow way. And outside the two gates there he saw a man sitting upon a gilded throne, and the appearance of that man was terrible, as of the Lord. And they saw many souls driven by angels and led in through the broad gate, and other souls, few in number, that were taken by the angels through the narrow gate. And when the wonderful one who sat upon the golden throne saw few entering through the narrow gate, and many entering through the broad one, straightway that wonderful one tore the hairs of his head and the sides of his beard, and threw himself on the ground from his throne, weeping and lamenting. But when he saw many souls entering through the narrow gate, then he arose from the ground and sat upon his throne in great joy, rejoicing and exulting. And Abraham asked the chief-captain, My Lord chief-captain, who is this most marvelous man, adorned with such glory, and sometimes he weeps and laments, and sometimes he rejoices and exults? The incorporeal one said: This is the first-created Adam who is in such glory, and he looks upon the world because all are born from him, and when he sees many souls going through the narrow gate, then he arises and sits upon his throne rejoicing and exulting in joy, because this narrow gate is that of the just, that leads to life, and they that enter through it go into Paradise. For this, then, the first-created Adam rejoices, because he sees the souls being saved. But when he sees many soul entering through the broad gate, then he pulls out the hairs of his head, and casts himself on the ground weeping and lamenting bitterly, for the broad gate is that of sinners, which leads to destruction eternal punishment. And for this the first-formed Adam falls from his throne weeping and lamenting for the destruction of sinners, for they are many that are lost, and they are few that are saved, for in seven thousand there is scarcely found one soul saved, being righteous and undefiled.