I am indebted to Paul Grundy’s site JW Facts for the information that Disfellowshipping , as we know it, only came in 1952… just 5 years after they published the above quote.
So for over 70 years they existed without it .
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Watchtower Study on 5th December.
by Lost in the fog inthe wt study for this week is all about disfellowshipping.
in an early paragraph it said "think how heartbroken jehovah must have been when members of his own angelic family turned their back on him!".
however when you think about it, when this happened according to the wt teaching, jehovah still engaged with satan in the heavens (book of job) and had conversations with him about what was going on in the earth.. so why do the wt org practice shunning when jehovah god obviously didn't?.
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If Ever GB Members Deserved To Be Thrown in Jail It's When ...
by smiddy3 init was when the governing body started to disfellow-ship jehovah`s witnesses from taking blood transfusions in an effort to save their lives .. resulting in many hundreds if not thousands of needless deaths of men women and children who by this coercion died from this doctrine.. and to this day they still go unpunished .
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Ultimate responsibility does, it is true , rest with successive GBodies who have interpreted the Scriptures in the way they have and over stated medical risks - but at the end of the day it is the individual who decides what to do with himself.
Dubs are conditioned to view blood as a toxic treatment which will not only bring down the wrath of God but probably infect them with something nasty , to boot.
The one’s I know would as soon put human s##t in their bodies than accept blood .
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Watchtower Study on 5th December.
by Lost in the fog inthe wt study for this week is all about disfellowshipping.
in an early paragraph it said "think how heartbroken jehovah must have been when members of his own angelic family turned their back on him!".
however when you think about it, when this happened according to the wt teaching, jehovah still engaged with satan in the heavens (book of job) and had conversations with him about what was going on in the earth.. so why do the wt org practice shunning when jehovah god obviously didn't?.
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They always talk about the one who leaves the “truth “ and his home and family... all too often it is the other way around. A person leaves the .Org. and is shunned by those he loves.
Also they call it “Leaving Jehovah “ but many do not lose faith in god, just the Watchtower.
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Child pornography should NOT be automatically handled by a judicial committee
by pistolpete innew information added to the "shepherd the flock elder's book" .
they have updated their policy on viewing child pornography.. from a congregation standpoint it is not viewed as child sex abuse and is something that should not be automatically handled by a judicial committee.
it states that a person viewing child pornography should be strongly counseled.
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BluesBrother
The 2021 “shepherding The Flock” book chapter 13
”The deliberate viewing of pornography is a sin. (Matt. 5:28, 29) It can result in an addiction to sex, perverted desires, and seri- ous marital problems. (Prov. 6:27; lvs pp. 121-123 pars. 9-12) How- ever, not all cases require handling by a judicial committee.—See 12:1-2; w12 3/15 pp. 30-31; w06 7/15 p. 31.
3. An entrenched practice of viewing, perhaps over a considerable period of time, abhorrent forms of pornography would be consid- ered gross uncleanness with greediness and needs to be handled judicially “
[Edit .. Aborrent forms included child porn .. ] Blues.
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Did you at one time Believe-that you were not going to die. Does your still in JW spouse still believe?
by pistolpete inthis magazine says it all!.
and many of the older jws believed at one point in their life that they would make it through the great tribulation and into the 1000 year reign of christ without dying.
which is why so many jws stayed in so long.. is the main reason why jws ignore all the child abuse, the end of door to door service, and the closing of kingdom hall for almost two years----because they still believe they will not die?.
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BluesBrother
Yes to both questions... of course we believed that .... it was our faith and the WT promised it. We were special, the unique generation that would not have to die.
Today though the oldies are resigned to death and resurrection, but the end result will be the same.
I haven’t discussed it with any young dubs but I suppose they still expect to live on through to the New World
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Do any of you still have contact with the witnesses?
by Snoozy ini have a daughter of a old witness friend that i knew since she was born.
she obviously has mental problems like her mom did so i just go with it .
she is a sweet kid but was recently hooked on pain pills bad.
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“Move on and don't feel bad for leaving them to the life they choose.”
I have to agree with that, if it is getting you down.
Actually dubs run the full range of “sensibility “ from the reasonable to the totally crazy . I am lucky that my nearest is reasonable and caring ( and openly critical of the GB , in private)
You have my sympathy my friend but don’t let other people’s problems become your own…
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Is Bible prophecy now starting to come true regarding the prelude to the great tribulation?
by Disillusioned JW inis bible prophecy now starting to come true regarding a prelude to the great tribulation?.
full disclosure: i still don't believe in the bible's claims about the existence of the supernatural, even of jehovah god (i'm an atheist and a scientific/philosophical naturalist), but i am asking this question because recent events are starting to seem (to me) to fit well the description of some prophecies in the bible.
consider the following.. several hours ago (on 11-26-2021) as i was about to enter a local fred meyer store of my city (in suburb or small city in the metro area of a large city) a person i know told me that a moment earlier a person left the store in a hurry with a cart load up with unpaid merchandise (i think i was told it was groceries but i don't remember that for sure).
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Sometimes I can watch the news and Can’t help thinking, “ this world is on the brink” ……But I recognise that I have been conditioned to think that way by an upbringing within the WTS.
From what I gather , men have always thought that their own time period “must be the one” because of the things happening. Certainly, the more that you learn of the past and our social history, the more you learn just how hard it was to live then .They had different problems,often, but equally difficult or worse.
Scientists predict terrible things sometimes, but mankind has always been useless at foretelling the future, so I curb my fears and hope for the best.
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BBC interview about 1975 - never heard this before..
by defender of truth infor any lurkers who don't believe the watchtower taught that the world would end in 1975... rare jehovah's witnesses 1968 interview "armageddon and 1975" london watchtower rep speaks to bbc.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=npmt-ml-m-g. --------.
but where will this system of things be by that time?
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BluesBrother
Well, I never heard of that interview or seen this thread before, things can pass you by.
I do remember Phil Reece at the London Bethel. Up until now I always liked his manner, a typically plain speaking Australian.
He does not mince words though....
“Q) Does this mean the rest will die
A ) Yes..........”
He must have passed away now along with all those old enough to take the lead in promoting that wrong idea . They were exciting, happy days for dubs.
Now they have a long slog ahead to their eventual death before “waking up in the New World “. At least, that’s how the older ones see it.
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CO retirement severance?
by road to nowhere ina friend says the wt gives a substantial sum to retiring cos. he says one bought land and built near him, a desirable rural area.
i think it must have been saved green handshake money or inherited.. btw this man also thinks the gb are the smartest men alive..
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I don’t think they last that long so as to retire, not these days anyway. In times past I knew some old ones, Ted Wright, Ken Wildig , Bill Newman etc.
Nowadays they seem to be young Pioneers and after a few years they come off the work, either the wife gets pregnant or ill health.... or something.
I never heard of a generous payout for them . I don’t think it exists.
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Around here it would raise eyebrows and get a frown....
Actually, back in the distant past we had a dear old sister in our group . She was a regular at the Tuesday book Study. Dear old N..... she was sweet natured but definitely “sixpence short of. Shilling “
At Christmas time she would always say as she went to leave “ Compliments of the Season Everybody “ ( that’s a rather old fashioned way of saying Merry Christmas)..
We all thought it funny.. I did not have the heart to counsel the old girl who clearly did not quite get it....
They were happy days at Tuesday groups...