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  ECHR rules against Jehovah's Witnesses: forbidding field service notes was not an act against religious freedom

  by Festus in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  it only took 23 years but on 9th of may 2023 echr came to conclusion that forbidding the "namelists" was not an action against religious freedom.

  echr's judgments are binding in all eu states.. jehovah's witnesses v. finland (coe.int).

  the news made headlines in finland as well.. finland did not violate jehovah's witnesses freedom of religion, european court rules | news | yle uutiset.

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  BluesBrother

  What a pointless and trivial case to take all the way to the Court of Human Rights!
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  JWs don't consider older WT as revelant

  by enoughisenough in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i am relating this happening.

  i shared some thoughts from the 1989 question from readers concerning christ being mediator between god and man ( the wt spinning that he isn't ) and also the paragraph in that same article that plainly says: clearly, then the new covenant is not a loose arrangement open to all mankind.

  it is a carefully arranged legal provision involving god and anointed christians.

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  By “apostates” , they are probably thinking of the time when Ray Franz was still on the GB and may have had an influence. Now I do not know offhand the date of his departure from Bethel but I would guess that it was prior to 1989.

  Still, it is a handy line to fall back on when someone points out an embarrassing quote from the past. Why allow truth to come into your argument ?
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  New Convention Song “ It Will Not Be Late”

  by BluesBrother in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this made me chuckle.

  a new song that they are encouraged to practice for the convention.. “ we know your day will come, sure as the rising sun.

  no matter how long it takes , it will not be late” …………... it is based on habakkuk 2 , we discussed this in depth around 1973/1974.

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  Hi Bribie , thank you for your comment and I note what you say.

  I agree that 50 years is like nothing to God, but we are humans and it is a hell of a long time to us. For example, to an old person 4or 5 years goes by and seems very little time at all. However,If you were speaking to a young child about something 5 years ahead you would not say it will be soon because to him it would be a lifetime away

  Is it reasonable for God to use words like soon or shortly for things that are our lifetime ahead? I don’t think so. When speaking to humans he would use human terms .

  Unlike many on here I still believe that God does not lie and that the Kingdom he spoke of will one day come. However, do not forget that the timescale predictions have come from the human reasoning of the Watchtower Society and not from God himself…
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  Miserable week ahead for witness kids in England-The Coronation

  by Mit123 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i feel sorry for witness kids this week.

  schools going crazy with the coronation in england.

  witness won’t be allowed to participate in a harmless tradition that whatever you think of the monarchy will be a lot of fun..

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  BluesBrother

  I agree with the first poster. It is one thing for adults to not want to know about this but younger kids at school are going to feel it . I have only seen on the more local tv programs the kids all getting into it , and of course on Sunday or Monday there could well be a street party with flags , and lots of goodies.

  The kids are going to feel well left out . When the old Queen was crowned I had just started school and we all lined up to get a Coronation Mug and replica anointing spoon. My Mum didn’t object back then but I guess JW parents wouldn’t allow that now.
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  All the Old JW Acquaintances Passing Away

  by StephaneLaliberte in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  yesterday, my dad told me an older sister passed away.

  she wasn't too old (in her 60s), but i knew her 30 years ago and haven't seen her in 15 years; the main reason being that i faded 10 years ago.. yesterday, i seriously considered attending the funeral and catch-up with old jws i used to know.

  after thinking it over, i decided against it.

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  BluesBrother

  Not trying to divert the thread but just picking up on what Ron W said

  “ Their new co is visiting this week and the co-ordinator rang them, irritated for their reports ”

  That is so typical, just chasing figures and wanting to be on the right side of the C/O. My wife gets the same . She is also unfit to go door to door, do they care? Not at all. She does get a phone call but only when they want a report.

  Hearts of stone, the lot of them.
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  New Convention Song “ It Will Not Be Late”

  by BluesBrother in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this made me chuckle.

  a new song that they are encouraged to practice for the convention.. “ we know your day will come, sure as the rising sun.

  no matter how long it takes , it will not be late” …………... it is based on habakkuk 2 , we discussed this in depth around 1973/1974.

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  BluesBrother

  This made me chuckle. A new song that they are encouraged to practice for the convention.

  “ We know your day will come, sure as the rising sun

  No matter how long it takes , it will not be late” …………..

  It is based on Habakkuk 2 , we discussed this in depth around 1973/1974. At that time it was exciting, and relevant,as we expected the end in a year or two . Today though, how can they keep faith in failed predictions that are pushing 50 years overdue? I don’t know. I realised as we approached the turn of the century that something was seriously wrong with the timeframe.

  The chorus goes :

  ”Father we long to see, paradise come to be

  Give us the patience to wait “

  Isn't that a pathetic prayer for the ability to suppress one’s natural unease and just keep plodding on holding a faith in something that is way way overdue?

  I was reminded of the silly sheep in Orwell’s “Animal Farm” . No matter bad conditions got they just bleated repeatedly and unthinkingly “ 4 legs good 2 legs bad” over and over again.
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  Watchtower Says Their Writings Are Part of the Bible and Are Essential For Salvation

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hard to believe, but it's true:watchtower december 15, 2008, pg.

  28 – “our coming to know "the truth‟ - the entire body of christian teachings that has become part of the bible - and adhering to it are essential for our salvation”.this is the same position of the roman catholic church.

  one of the pope’s titles is the vicar of christ.

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  No...That quote was saying nothing of the kind . The article discussed the letters of John . And the article meant that we need all the Christian teaching of the Bible.

  Now I do know that they say that we should follow all that they have written to please God , but they do not say that their writings are part of the Bible.
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  Charles the Third and the Two-Headed Beast

  by Anony Mous in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was reading an article about the pomp and circumstance around the first coronation in nearly a century.. made me think of the revelation book (the red one, not the bible) and the picture of the two headed beast with a sword and if i have some time today i will see if i can’t find it and age it a bit, it seems the sword is a bit dull and the two heads are now both octogenarians with severe dementia, kind of funny to see that instead of “swift judgment” we’ve come to internal decay.. what do you canadians, english, scots, irish and australians think about your new leadership?.

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  , As an Englishman , maybe it is the people I talk to, but everyone seems at least ambivalent towards it and planning to do something else that day .
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  UK Supreme Court decides Watchtower not liable for elder raping 29 year old congregant

  by Corney in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  background: https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5684019822854144/vicarious-liability-court-appeal-dismisses-appeal-from-religious-organisation-following-sexual-assault.

  the judgment (unanimous): https://www.supremecourt.uk/cases/docs/uksc-2021-0089-judgment.pdf.

  press summary: https://www.supremecourt.uk/press-summary/uksc-2021-0089.html.

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  Amazing case… to think that he could rape her while his wife was in the front room ! That’s crazy..

  What the hell was he doing still on the B of E when suffering noticeable depression and flirting with women ? . I think the Supreme Court got it wrong. They don’t appreciate the regard that elders are held in and in fact, you are never off duty .
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  Betty Georges - The Female Helper to the Governing Body

  by MillennialDawn in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  betty georges is listed as a helper to the governing body service committee, according to this page on the website: https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/governing-body-jw-helpers/.

  anybody know anything about her?.

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  BluesBrother

  I noticed Betty and Jodie in the helpers list and wondered ........

  Just Googling around I found this on a baby name site

  ”Betty is predominantly a girls name, with 99.64% of Bettys being girls, and 0.36% being boys.

  In the United States there have been a total of 3619 males named Betty, and 999979 females given the name”

  Well well well...