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  What the Elders Book Actually says about Suicide and Judicial Hearings for Disfellowshipping

  by EasyPrompt in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  "the shepherd the flock of god elders’ manual had instruction to take notes, sign and file them in judicial cases where the accused threatens suicide.

  this instruction was removed in 2020. pic 1 is 2019 version, pic 2 is from a 2020 edition.

  it remains the same in 2023.

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  BluesBrother

  I have never seen this as a way to stave off or avoid d/f and carry on sinning. If you can convincingly claim suicide as the outcome.... then the JC is delayed but it will not be stopped.
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  The rules and culture that keep child sex offenders hidden from followers of the JW's faith

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/in-depth/495876/the-rules-and-culture-that-keep-child-sex-offenders-hidden-from-followers-of-the-jehovah-s-witness-faith.

  rnz new zealand.

  anusha bradley, investigative reporter.

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  BluesBrother

  I relate to this man’s comment that as a new elder he trusted the older ones.. I would have done the same at that stage. Four paedo’s in one cong ? That is a hotbed…

  I found this a recent “ Shepherding” book about disclosure of such people in a cong.

  ” “The Service Department will direct the elders to inform family heads of minors within the congregation of the need to monitor their children’s interaction with the individual. The elders would take this step only if directed to do so by the Service Department. The coordinator of the body of elders should ensure that newly appointed elders and elders who move into the congregation are made aware of the Service Department’s direction regarding such individuals.”

  Excerpt From

  Shepherd (sfl-E)

  WATCH TOWER

  This material may be protected by copyright.
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  JW elders TAUGHT to treat Higher Education as WRONG!

  by BoogerMan in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  in this jw training video, an elder gets deleted because his daughter has "stumbled" other jw's by pursuing higher education.

  🤣.

  @ 13.35 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0u2ohrbdm-c.

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  BluesBrother

  Fisherman’s post above conveys exactly the way that BOE’s are taught. They are the reps of “The Society “ company men first and foremost.

  When I was in the throes of resigning my position, a friend of mine on the body was taking flack because he allowed a situation in his family that did not agree with Society recommendations. This was his right as family head , in my view. He endured removal because of it. The Body used my absence to do it unappposed .

  If the Society say ‘ jump’ you must simply say “how high”?
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  Watchdog reports on investigation into Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Britain

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  https://www.gov.uk/government/news/watchdog-reports-on-investigation-into-watch-tower-bible-and-tract-society-of-britain.

  press release.

  watchdog reports on investigation into watch tower bible and tract society of britain.

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  BluesBrother

  This conclusion baffles me, What is the consequence of this?

  2023

  “· Commission concludes that Watch Tower is not the organisation that is currently directly responsible for the safety of JW beneficiaries.”

  Ends
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  Blood Card Check

  by NotFormer in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  i remember many years ago that apparently there was an annual event where witnesses' blood cards (or whatever they're called) were checked by some visiting wt dignitary.

  that the blood cards were current, and that the r&f were carrying them.. given the situation in some countries that kingdom halls can't legally keep data about people who have been visited, is the practice of checking and enforcing the carrying of blood cards similarly illegal in some places?.

  are there any places where it is illegal for the hlc to set up camp near the hospital bed of a sick jw?.

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  BluesBrother

  I do have a memory that group leaders were once told to ask the members to make sure their blood cards were complete. Also I believe that they were asked to give a photo copy of it to the congregation to be kept by the Secretary. However, checking the “ Shepherd the Flock” book , it says nothing like that now. Data protection laws finished that off , I expect. The elders never bothered to ask anyway.

  Incidentally, the book also says that HLC have to get the patient’s consent before getting involved or talking to doctors.
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  Conscience Issues

  by NotFormer in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  thought inspired by my post on tattoos: within the watchtower organisation, how many "conscience issues" actually are?

  are people who actually do exercise their consciences in grey areas painting a target on their backs for the more hard-line dubs?

  are they quietly avoided because " bad associations spoil useful habits"?

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  BluesBrother

  Many years back the WT ran a series of study articles on the “Christian Conscience” and made clear that we carry the responsibility for the outcome of such decisions w make..

  That was then. Today the Org. has become much more black and white with people spoon fed instructions... It does not make for a mature Christian society.
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  2023-Price-Per-Publisher!

  by Atlantis in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  2023-price per publisher.. .

  https://imgbox.com/jshf0csu .

  atlantis!.

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  BluesBrother

  I think a little context is required about this . If I am right this is talking about a donation that a congregation makes to the WWWF , not an individual donation by the Publisher. I guess the congregation hopes it will get it back from donations but there is no obligation on a Publisher to do so.

  Am I right?
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  Customers being frozen out of their bank accounts for political views is a very worrying trend ...

  by LoveUniHateExams in

  1. social
  2. current

  yeah, so i know nigel farage is a bit of an abrasive twat.. he no doubt holds views that other people disagree with.. but that doesn't mean his bank can just tell him to sod off and freeze his accounts.. such a thing might go on in commie china or authoritarian russia.

  no doubt hitler closed lots of jewish people's accounts in nazi germany, too.. but the fact that it is happening here, in the yew-kay, is pretty chilling when you consider this country is supposed to champion freedoms, including the one to hold and express varying political views.. this seems to be part of a trend to delegitimise and cancel people who hold certain views.. i remember looking at a yt video of richard dawkins questioning muslim journalist mehdi hassan about his belief in flying horses and muhammad.

  all fair analysis and criticism by dawkins until he suggested that hassan shouldn't be a journalist because of his beliefs.

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  BluesBrother

  Coutts are a very exclusive bank for the very rich and it is not for the likes of you and me. They select their customers. Admittedly the handling of the matter may be poor but surely they can accept or reject who ever they want . If , for example we had a political figure akin to Oswald Mosley in the last century, would you say the same about his right to bank with royalty.?

  The Co Op Bank has an ethical policy which means that , for example ,if a CEO of a company making land mines wanted an account, they would tell him to go elsewhere. Is that policy under threat now?
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  Did Jesus COME with the clouds of heaven in 1914?

  by Fisherman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  take for example revelation 21: 10. .

  “….and he showed me the holy city jerusalem coming down out of heaven from god.

  here john sees something happening, action.

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  BluesBrother

  I have not read all the posts in this thread, but to make sure we know what the JW really say…. this from the margin notes of the online NWT

  ”

  Matthew 24:30

  • the sign of the Son of man: This sign is not the same as “the sign of [Jesus’] presence” mentioned at Mt 24:3. The sign mentioned here is connected with the “coming” of the Son of man as Judge to pronounce and execute judgment during the great tribulation.​—See study note on coming in this verse.”

    In other words that verse means Armageddon, not 1914
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  Hot sht hospital liaison

  by road to nowhere in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  wife in.

  bro high opinion of self stopped.

  he is part of hlc, but was alone.

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  BluesBrother

  If your wife is the patient, surely it is up to her to decide what she tells him. If it were me in your position I would willingly stand up to him and tell to go…… if my wife was unhappy about him . You have to remember that many dubs view it as loving care from a “shepherd “.