Posts by BluesBrother

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how do spouse's treat their partners if they leave the cult?

by mickbobcat in

so i was fortunate enough to have a wife that listened and saw what i was saying was true and that the cult is bs.

but i wonder how bad it is in a relationship that one goes out of the cult and the other stays in.

i can see that being a real issue for a marriage.

BluesBrother

Mine has been good. Obviously at first thinks were traumatic- it was a shock to her when I admitted that I no longer believed. She has had to face up to not being an elder’s wife but becoming what they call a “spiritual widow “ Believe me the difference in how she is treated is enormous.She gets no respect at all.

However we have settled down now and our relationship is better than it has ever been.

My wife is still a staunch believer but we accept each other as we are. I go some way to support her, we used to attend some meetings, nowadays I sit with her through a zoom meeting, that is just give-and-take for all she does for me...I am lucky I know.

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The covid vaccine and microchip fears

by BourneIdentity in

why is there a group so fearful of being tracked?

if you carry around a cell phone, your every movement is being tracked, even if you disable it.

court proceedings have shown google and apple can hand all the data over of all your movement.

BluesBrother

This thread made me google vaccine + microchip. ...... talk about funny !

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Do You Ever Wonder Where Are They Now?

by minimus in

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i remember so many witnesses who were pretty liberal minded.

i knew some that were the ones someone would talk to to get a “balanced “ perspective.

they were not hardliners.

BluesBrother

Sadly the liberal,thinking people that we knew are either dead or have stayed in and they just “ go with the flow” .. Whatever they really think, or personal thoughts they may have... they are not saying. They know better than that.

when I met an old friend of mine , now a long serving elder , I opened up a little about how things used to be better in the .Org. He enjoyed reminiscing but said “ that was then, this is now, We need it like this today.

So they change along with the Organisation.....

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Is this 2034 date actually something the cult put out?

by mickbobcat in

so i have heard this 120 preaching time and 2034 end date.

are they pushing another set time of is this something someone else came up with?.

BluesBrother

We should not read into articles things that are not there, and then criticise them for false prophecies. That Sept 2020 articlesaid nothing about a date for the end, just discussed Noah's flood.

The article did say that the end will be "soon", as always.

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FASCINATION : Neurotic obsession with BIBLE and everything else

by Terry in

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friends

(back in the old days) .

no home was without a gigantic king james bible.

families diligently read bible verses every day.

BluesBrother

I wish that I had had a grandpa like that..........He sounds a real character who took a real interest in you.

I agree that the ability to recall facts is not necessarily intelligence. I comfort myself with that thought when watching a higher grade quiz show. I believe the phrase Emotional Intelligence is the more important one , using your knowledge wisely.

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Elders accused of playing rape tape to victim, 15; case goes to Utah Sup. Court

by Corney in

a woman is suing a local congregation ("kingdom hall of jehovah’s witnesses, roy, utah, an unincorporated association"), individual elders and watchtower ny after, she claims, a judicial committee forced her to listen an audio recording of her own rape.

the trial court summarized the facts as alleged by the plaintiff as follows:.

at the time of the judicial committee, plaintiff was fifteen years old.

BluesBrother

I had some trouble opening some links so I googled it and found some UK reports . This is shocking! Whatever were the elders thinking? It amazed me that it could happen in 2008. By then the procedures were well established for contacting Bethel as a matter of course. Did they suggest it?

If I were to put on a JW elder hat for a moment, I can only think..... 18yr old and 15yr old does that count as child abuse? ( in their mind)

no doubt he claimed consensual so , did she scream? ( that’s how they might think) They appear to be trying to prove that she consented...... but at 15?

Any way you look at it , it was a terrible thing to do. I hope they get taken to the cleaners on this one.

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Congregation Letter - 2021 Magazines Delayed???

by JWTom in

we had a letter read in our cong.

last week that said the public wt and awake would be delayed during the beginning of 2021. meaning we would just use the 2020 version into 2021 and there would be no new ones at the beginning of 2021 until an undetermined time sometime during the 1st half of 2021. at least that is the gist that i remember.

it was in what atlantis provided but there was no further detail....very brief.. any more intel or speculation on this?

BluesBrother

SBF said ....."How utterly bizarre that the Study Watchtower continues to ignore the coronavirus."

I noticed that the study article for tomorrow 15th November is all about staying focussed on the ministry. How can they discuss that these days.? I accept that they won't want them to lose the idea but there is no mention of covid restrictions, after,what , 9 months of the pandemic. ...

I dont understand.

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Collapse of JW Org - Possibly on the Horizon?

by JWTom in

this topics get a great deal of discussion here.

what i find interesting is even some of my pimi family is embracing the reality that all is not well with jw.org and that many current jws are just going through the motions due to not having a good way out of the org.

wondering what could realistically lead to the collapse of jw.org in the not distant future?

BluesBrother

Nineteen years I have been on this board and all that time we have had threads predicting the imminent end of the Watchtower Society. .. we are almost as bad as they are for living in expectation of "the end"!

Ok that was a bit tongue in cheek, but we predict it because we want it to happen. .... Me too. But I have no reason to expect it.

These people are masters at self preservation and re inventing themselves. Look at the drastic changes to on line teaching, and the adoption of Zoom to replace meetings currently. We may see more links with commercial companies, anything to keep going and change with the times.

No doubt it will fold someday but not for a long time yet.

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Serial killer JW hopes to go to heaven soon.

by Lost in the fog in

guess that is the sort of person being attracted to the truth these days!.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/yorkshire-ripper-peter-sutcliffe-thinks-22976938.

BluesBrother

Heaven or a ressurection, or neither...... He will find out ASAP .

"Peter Sutcliffe, the serial killer known as the Yorkshire Ripper, has died in hospital, a Prison Service spokesman said."

As reported in U K Guardian newspaper today .

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Many Jw’s Love to Speculate About the New System

by Davros in

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a comment on another thread cracked me up where the poster related what some elder said on the platform that: .

in the new system, we likely will not have genitals.” lol.

i’ve heard so much speculation from many jw’s on what will and won’t be allowed in the new system.

BluesBrother

You know, despite spending social time with dubs prior to lockdown, I never hear this kind of speculation these days. They don’t seem to want to talk about beliefs. Do they really believe in their heart. You get a bunch of football supporters together they talk about football and their club..but these so called “Kingdom Supporters “ never talk of the kingdom.

in the old days it was different. I heard them all. ... Nakedness in the new world, a vegetarian diet, beards for men, or not? Children to be born? Marriage for ever?

Whatever a person wanted to see happen, they touted that as the future..